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    Global investment in renewable energy shot up last year, far outstripping investment in fossil fuels, according to a UN report.
    As the price of clean energy technology plummets, it has become an increasingly attractive prospect for world governments.
    China was by far the world’s largest investor in renewable energy in 2017, accounting for nearly half of the new infrastructure commissioned.
    This was mainly a result of its massive support for solar power, which globally attracted nearly a fifth more investment than in the previous year. Other countries including Australia, Sweden and Mexico more than doubled the amount of money they pumped into clean energy projects.

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    “Yet again, this was a record year for new renewable power capacity being financed,” Francoise d’Estais from UN Environment’s energy and climate branch told The Independent.

    The world is now spending more on renewable energy than coal, gas and nuclear power combined
    Renewables will continue to dominate in electrical production. And the grid scale batteries will accelerate this dominance.
     
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    The straight skinny is solar and wind will always be the backup. Solar and wind isn't available on demand and there is no practical way to store it in quantities required.

    Any alternative energy that isn't available on demand isn't a replacement for gas, coal, or nuclear.
     
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    Nice 21st century ya got there.
    Lights go out whenever the wind slows down.

    Ya know with manmade global warming we can expect long periods of no wind ya know.
     
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    At at cost of $50 million, the Lithium Ion battery farm can store enough energy to power about 30,000 homes for a little over an hour. To date, the longest it's ever supplied power to the grid is 38 minutes.

    I'm not an astronomer, but I'm almost certain most nights are longer than an hour ... even in Australia.

    P.S. ... 30,000 homes represents a population of 75,000 people ... 25,000 fewer than America's 311th largest town, Vacaville, at 100,000 persons. How much should the good citizens of Vacaville be asked to pay for a whole hour of electricity after the sun goes down?
     
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    Really? Ever hear the term recycling? And the 100 MW/Hr battery in Australia will have payed for itself in less than a year. So if they operate it for seven years, they will be able to afford a 600 MW/Hr battery. And have the profit from the metals recovered from the old batteries.
     
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    Ever hear who pays for it?

    Turn in your car battery and let me know what you pay to replace it.
     
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    No, nuclear can never be a backup for anything because they must run continuously. Ever tried to start a nuclear reactor? It takes a while.
     
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    I think he pretty much has it nailed. You, on the other hand, fit that description to a "T"!
     

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