was not aware of Churchill's plan

[AZrailwhale]

The Allies did not have the munitions or equipment or will power to launch an offensive to the East.

Wrong. By 1944 the US alone had more war material than it could use. we were using artillery barrages to kill snipers and machine gun nests. Axis troops and commanders always commented upon our profligate use of munitions.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not in June 1945, we did not. Did you take your history courses at Praeger U?

All of the munitions were being delivered to the Pacific.

The Brits and French would have stared at your lack of comprhension.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Not in June 1945, we did not. Did you take your history courses at Praeger U?

All of the munitions were being delivered to the Pacific.

The Brits and French would have stared at your lack of comprhension.

Yeah, AFTER Germany surrendered, supplies STARTED being routed to depots in the Pacific. There were still months of supplies stockpiled in the ETO. But guess what, ships can easily be rerouted, supplies being routed for Operation Olympic could easily be rerouted to French and German ports with very little lost time. The cargo ships wouldn’t even need convoying since the German navy was either on the bottom or surrendered.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The supplie in the ETO were being shipped to the Pacific.

The French and the British would not have supported such a stupid plan.

And the US Generals would have said, "General AZ, go kiss your pepe."

 

[AZrailwhale]

The supplie in the ETO were being shipped to the Pacific.

The French and the British would not have supported such a stupid plan.

And the US Generals would have said, "General AZ, go kiss your pepe."

Since it was a British plan, it's odd that you think they wouldn't support it. France would do whatever it was told to do, it completely depended on the USA for food, war material and oil.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Since it was a British plan, it's odd that you think they wouldn't support it. France would do whatever it was told to do, it completely depended on the USA for food, war material and oil.

The British would not support it. They voted Churchill out in July. If he proposed this stupidity, they would have lynched him.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Wrong. By 1944 the US alone had more war material than it could use. we were using artillery barrages to kill snipers and machine gun nests. Axis troops and commanders always commented upon our profligate use of munitions.

Never contradict JESH-he KNOWS ALL!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Never contradict JESH-he KNOWS ALL!

I certainly know that the allies would not have defeated the Soviets if they attacked them in 1945.

In 1945, the situation in Europe was complex, and the dynamics between the Allies (Great Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union) were multifaceted. Let’s explore some key points:

1. Alliance and Rivalry:
   • During World War II, the Allies formed a Grand Alliance to defeat Nazi Germany and its Axis partners. However, despite their common goal, the alliance partners did not always share the same political aims.
   • The United States, Britain, and the Soviet Union had different visions for post-war Europe, which would later contribute to tensions during the Cold War.
2. Soviet Advance and Berlin:
   • By 1945, the Soviet Red Army had made significant advances on the Eastern Front. They had pushed Nazi forces back and were approaching Berlin.
   • In March 1945, the Western Allies (United States, Britain, and others) crossed the Rhine decisively. However, the casualties suffered in previous battles (such as the Ardennes) and the remaining distance to Berlin dampened their drive to take the city before the Soviets.
   • The Western Allies focused on mopping up resistance in western German cities rather than pushing further east toward Berlin.
   • Nazi Germany eventually surrendered unconditionally on May 8, 1945, leaving the Western Allies in control of most of Germany.
3. UN Security Council and the USSR:
   • In 1945, the USSR became one of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, alongside the United States, Britain, France, and China. This status granted the USSR the right to veto any of the Security Council’s resolutions.
4. Hypothetical Scenario:
   • If the Allies had directly attacked the USSR in 1945, it would have been a highly risky and costly endeavor.
   • The Soviet Red Army was battle-hardened, experienced, and had momentum on the Eastern Front.
   • Given the proximity of Soviet forces to Berlin, any attempt by the Western Allies to push further east would likely have faced fierce resistance and significant casualties.
   • Diplomacy and strategic considerations prevailed, leading to the focus on defeating Nazi Germany rather than engaging in direct conflict with the USSR.

In summary, while the Allies had differences and tensions, a direct military confrontation between the Western Allies and the USSR in 1945 was unlikely due to practical and geopolitical reasons12345.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I certainly know that the allies would not have defeated the Soviets if they attacked them in 1945.

In 1945, the situation in Europe was complex, and the dynamics between the Allies (Great Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union) were multifaceted. Let’s explore some key points:

1. Alliance and Rivalry:
   • During World War II, the Allies formed a Grand Alliance to defeat Nazi Germany and its Axis partners. However, despite their common goal, the alliance partners did not always share the same political aims.
   • The United States, Britain, and the Soviet Union had different visions for post-war Europe, which would later contribute to tensions during the Cold War.
2. Soviet Advance and Berlin:
   • By 1945, the Soviet Red Army had made significant advances on the Eastern Front. They had pushed Nazi forces back and were approaching Berlin.
   • In March 1945, the Western Allies (United States, Britain, and others) crossed the Rhine decisively. However, the casualties suffered in previous battles (such as the Ardennes) and the remaining distance to Berlin dampened their drive to take the city before the Soviets.
   • The Western Allies focused on mopping up resistance in western German cities rather than pushing further east toward Berlin.
   • Nazi Germany eventually surrendered unconditionally on May 8, 1945, leaving the Western Allies in control of most of Germany.
3. UN Security Council and the USSR:
   • In 1945, the USSR became one of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, alongside the United States, Britain, France, and China. This status granted the USSR the right to veto any of the Security Council’s resolutions.
4. Hypothetical Scenario:
   • If the Allies had directly attacked the USSR in 1945, it would have been a highly risky and costly endeavor.
   • The Soviet Red Army was battle-hardened, experienced, and had momentum on the Eastern Front.
   • Given the proximity of Soviet forces to Berlin, any attempt by the Western Allies to push further east would likely have faced fierce resistance and significant casualties.
   • Diplomacy and strategic considerations prevailed, leading to the focus on defeating Nazi Germany rather than engaging in direct conflict with the USSR.

In summary, while the Allies had differences and tensions, a direct military confrontation between the Western Allies and the USSR in 1945 was unlikely due to practical and geopolitical reasons12345.

The WAllies never planned to attack Berlin. It was deep in what had been agreed to as the Soviet occupation zone. As it was, the WAllies had to give up large tracts of land they spent blood and treasure capturing to live up to the agreement. Based on what happened in other German cities captured by the WAllies, if they had committed to capturing Berlin, casualties on both sides would have been fairly low. Only Nazi die-hands would have fought. Given the well-publicized conduct of the Red Army during its offensives, every swinging Richard fought like wolverines to defend their civilians from the animalistic conduct of the Red Army.