Was Moses just high?

[Shogun]

The funny thing about scripture Shogun, is that it's interpreted differently by differnt people. That's why you have different churches and that's why some people don't believe. If you'd like to assume that that passage means that the Moses was getting high off of annointing, go ahead. You can't take something that your not sure of and pass it off as fact. Until you show me scripture that says Moses got high and started hollucinating, you can talk trash all you want.

Hey, you can make excuses to believe what you want. Clearly, if the bible doesn't say that moses was taking bong hits then there must not be any mention of DRUGS being used by christians.. well, except for the psychadelic plant specifically mentioned in the making of anointing oil.... and the ALCOHOL that jebus himself magiked up.


Indeed, it sure is interpreted differently by different people who are hellbent on using the bible like a seal fur trader uses a club. Funny how every denominations can wrap the scripture around their own opinions, eh?



I suppose your going to quote some section of the Bible that can be misconstrued as a meth lab too.

gosh, so THIS is how real intelligent people debate, eh? meh.. jebus was just kidding about bringing that sword anyway.

 

[BrianH]

You make me laugh...I'm from Texas and full of crap. I just wanted to see if I could get you riled up. I didn't know you took this so seriously. When I get home I'm going to go fishing and have a beer. This was fun, we'll have to do this again. I'm new to these forums and a buddy told me to check them out because people get so mad for such a very little reason. I got you riled up about whether Moses was High, who gives a crap, that was ages ago. It's amazing what people will say when their mad and trying to prove a retarded point about something pointless.

Thanks for this guys

 

[Shogun]

mad?

oh come on.. you give yourself too much credit. I'm enjoying harpooning your position, dude. It's a little hobby of mine to out-scripture christians. Now, don't say that you are also a non-believer now because THAt would really deflate my tires...

Then again, if you admit as much you KNOW what the unforgivable sin is....

 

[BrianH]

Ok holmes get off it already. I could care less if Moses was trippin on caracas plants, or whatever it is. I've got three buddy's sitting next to me laughin. I have a history degree and can understand the majority of the crap you've dished out in this forum. I'm not going to pretend that I'm something that I'm not, I believe in God, but this was all in fun-and-games whether you believe it or not. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[BrianH]

I would never truthfully argue about religion to anyone because honestly, there would never be any end result. People have been doing it for thousands of years. Arguing religion with you, especially christianity, (because it's the most complex) would be pointless and continue to add pages to a forum with no problem ever solved. I just recently joined these message boards and actually do enjoy discussing the political threads, but we saw the religious and had to reply to it. Religion always seems to bring out the "DEVIL" in people. lol

 

[Shogun]

Stick around after I add you to my kill markings... You'll see me curb stomping the arguements of other christians again. Degree in history, you say? Perhaps your buddies can laugh about how much you payed for tuition next..

 

[BrianH]

Oh I almost forgot, the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirt. (Matthew 12:31-31)

 

[Shogun]

I would never truthfully argue about religion to anyone because honestly, there would never be any end result. People have been doing it for thousands of years. Arguing religion with you, especially christianity, (because it's the most complex) would be pointless and continue to add pages to a forum with no problem ever solved. I just recently joined these message boards and actually do enjoy discussing the political threads, but we saw the religious and had to reply to it. Religion always seems to bring out the "DEVIL" in people. lol

uh, christianity is the MOST COMPLEX, eh?

hehehe..


your education has been money well spent. I get the feeling you don't have skin thick enough to post in these forums, dude... Maybe a high-protein diet and some Eye Of The Tiger can help.

 

[Shogun]

Oh I almost forgot, the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirt. (Matthew 12:31-31)

Im glad you caught that. did you get my "I don't bring peace, I bring the sword" reference?

 

[BrianH]

Lucky for me I went to Junior College first. Are you still mad?

 

[Shogun]

oh I could never be mad at you, pooky,

 

[BrianH]

Yeah, I just forgot to include that. I think I would have said "war" instead of sword. People shorten things down here.lol

 

[BrianH]

ha ha Good stuff good stuff. Well now I know who to watch out for if I ever do post anything that could last all day.

 

[Shogun]

ill admit it.. I can be a contentious bastard.. You'll have to catch me when Im in a "Solution" mood.


Hey, have a great day and welcome to the board!

 

[Taomon]

I would never truthfully argue about religion to anyone because honestly, there would never be any end result. People have been doing it for thousands of years. Arguing religion with you, especially christianity, (because it's the most complex) would be pointless and continue to add pages to a forum with no problem ever solved.

Lies and contradictions add a lot of compexity to a religious dogma.

The Harder Path Less Traveled

Since the dawn of man, spirituality has set us apart from the rest of the hostile world. We sensed then, as now, that there is more to existence than what we see, hear, and touch. Everyone has perceived a mysterious feeling that there is more beneath the surface, as if reality was a murky pond that we simply watched from a distance. Early religions were polytheistic; meaning various levels of deities controlled all things such as storms, crops, and even people. As religions matured and the concepts of metaphysics and monotheism came into play, people began to realize that they themselves were part of the mystery. Monotheistic religions, such as Christianity, teach that there is only one God who created all things. Metaphysics, such as Buddhism, teach that God is consciousness, and all existence emanates from that.

In the movie “Meet the Parents,” Robert De Niro illustrates the elemental contrast between dog and cat owners by saying “Cats make you work for their affection; they don’t sellout the way dogs do” (De Niro, 2000). The same can be said of Christianity and Buddhism. In most Christian denominations, a priest will grant forgiveness for any sin, whereas Buddhists believe themselves to be completely responsible for the effects of any thought, word, or action. A priest or pastor may make a parishioner say a prayer for redemption, while a Buddhist can spend lifetimes atoning for a single act.

Christianity has become a staple of mainstream Americana. There are several denominations and sects with their own ideas about practice and belief. Aside from Quakers and some extreme fundamental groups, most churches seemingly require no more than attendance, prayer, and the acceptance of Jesus into one’s heart. Contemporary Christian dogma implies that these things alone one can gain admittance into heaven. However, within Buddhist principles, enlightenment cannot be attained without adherence to the “Eightfold Path; Right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration” (About Buddhism).

The concepts of Heaven, and ultimately Hell as the anti-thesis, vary amongst religions and the multitude of denominations yet they have some basic parallels. Christians view Heaven as the abode of God where Angels and the spirits of the dead mingle. Buddhists view Heaven as the release from the endless cycle of reincarnation into a state of being called Nirvana, where the disciple becomes one with all things. Both concepts have three comparable themes. Christians seek to meet God and bask in “his” glory, while Buddhist endeavor to unite with God. Christians believe that Angels live in Heaven and can help people, whereas Buddhists believe in Boddhisattvas: beings that compassionately refrain from entering Nirvana in order to guide others. Lastly, Christians believe that a person must live by the word of God as expressed in the teachings of Christ to be received in Heaven. On the other hand, Buddhists believe that Nirvana cannot be attained without strict adherence to the “Eightfold Path” (About Buddhism).

There is also semblance behind the mythologies of Christianity and Buddhism. The births of both Jesus Christ and the Buddha were prophesized. The exceptional traits of both teachers were noticed from an early age. Jesus and Buddha embraced everyone and were reviled by the local clergy. The teachings of Christ and Buddha included compassion for the poor and the love of all people. Each teacher had apostles who expanded the ministries, which are now classified as two of the five dominant religions in the world.

One of the goals for the meditating Buddhist is to reach a state of awareness and understanding that allows a more abstract grasp of reality. Through the chanting of mantras, fasting, and music, Buddhists quiet their minds and expand their consciousness. Likewise, throughout history, Christians have also gained profound insight into the mysteries of the universe and the nature of God. By chanting various prayers or invocations of Jesus Christ in addition to fasting and purification, these devotees have become enlightened within the concepts of Biblical tenets. Some notable Christians who have reached this elevated state of being have performed miracles, written extensively, and have even been recognized by the Vatican as Saints. Tibetan Buddhists have also displayed extraordinary powers as their level of consciousness elevates. The exalted status given to monks who exhibit abilities, such as levitation, is contrasted by the humbleness he or she demonstrates.

A major distinction between the two belief systems is the concept of suffering. Buddhists believe that suffering is caused by desire, the cessation of which will end misery. Christians believe that suffering is caused by not having Jesus in one’s life and that a person must confess his or her sins and open his or her heart. Although a Christian must truly be sorry in order to be absolved of a sin, the concept of asking forgiveness from the clergy naively takes responsibility away from the sinner. The Buddhist concept of sin is more conceptual. Buddhism has “10 Precepts” of ethical conduct that are taken as recommendations and are open for interpretation. In Buddhism, every individual is responsible for his or her own actions and, ultimately, his or her destiny. Albeit, we are all responsible for our own actions under Christian doctrine, Buddhists do not believe that absolution is something that any other sentient being can bestow.

The Christian mind is taught to see God as anthropomorphic, interacting with people and passing judgment on each soul. Through meditation, Buddhists learn that God cannot be perceived in the linear sense and Karma is what equates our lives, rather than divine intervention. Karma is a law of nature that yields consequences for each person’s actions. Wholesome thoughts and deeds produce auspicious states of being, individually and collectively. Alternately, offensive acts will cause unfavorable states of being. Thus, the Buddhist believes that he or she is not only responsible for his or her own thoughts and deeds, but ultimately for the effects those acts have on the world. Christians are not taught to consider such notions because the acts of sin only affect the soul of that sinner and the recipient of the aforementioned act. There is no global cause and effect axiom in monotheistic ideology, as God will punish the offender.

Most people who are actively practicing a religious faith will say that being devout is not always easy. Large percentages of religious people think, speak, and act in ways contrary to their faith-based doctrines. America’s capitalist avarice and consumerist materialism has negated some sins that lead people astray. Gluttony, covetous, and greed have all been sold to us as ideals that must be upheld. Sinners are absolved of moral accountability because the Americanization of Christianity has sanctified many unwholesome acts while forgiving still more. Metaphysical religions, such as Buddhism, do not allow reward without complete devotion. The mindfulness needed to ensure that every action, every word, and every thought one has must benefit the world requires an exceptional level of commitment. The path to spiritual enlightenment, even within the context of monotheism, is harder than conventional roads of gentile salvation.

References
De Niro, R. (Producer/Actor). (2000). Meet the Parents [Motion picture]. United States: Universal Pictures.

The Big View, (n.d.). About Buddhism. Retrieved Nov. 20, 2005, from the bigview.com Web site: http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/index.html.

 

[BrianH]

ha ha alright Shogun I appreciate it.

Taomon you're a little late on this one. This "debate" has reached it's peak and already ended.

 

[Ravi]

You make me laugh...I'm from Texas and full of crap. I just wanted to see if I could get you riled up. I didn't know you took this so seriously. When I get home I'm going to go fishing and have a beer. This was fun, we'll have to do this again. I'm new to these forums and a buddy told me to check them out because people get so mad for such a very little reason. I got you riled up about whether Moses was High, who gives a crap, that was ages ago. It's amazing what people will say when their mad and trying to prove a retarded point about something pointless.

Thanks for this guys

Gasp! So that bit about me being intelligent was just a lie?

 

[Taomon]

ha ha alright Shogun I appreciate it.

Taomon you're a little late on this one. This "debate" has reached it's peak and already ended.

Never. Religion is a debate for the ages.

 

[Gunny]

You know, any 10-year old get get on a forum, pick apart someone's paragraph and sarcastically make comments. This shows your unwillingness to respect and accept the beliefs of others. You can believe all you want to believe. I'm not preaching for you to all become Christian. You can do what you want. I'm simply giving my side of the argument in as respectful was as possible. Which is nothing I can say for some of you. Ravir seems to be the only intelligent one in here. By the way, intelligence isn't reciting books that other people of written, it's being able to intellectually have a discussion with someone without resorting to childish attacks.

"Making up new religions is a bit out of fashion these days. However there are plenty of "druggie" writers who have very interesting things to say about life and living. Kerouac for one."

--What do you call scientology? Mormonanism started in the 1800s.

"Why stop there? Why not believe I'm your God and come worship me? While your at it, I'll take the 10% tithe"

--not that this even warrants an answer, but that doesn't exist anymore. People who do that do it willingly. I don't give %10 .

The rest of your statements are pure assinine. Learn the difference between religion and spirituality. Believe it or not, there is a difference. And about your Sundays, I can be just as much with God, sitting in boat in the bay fishing. So don't generalize.

The Bible says nothing of going to church everyday, or what religion is the right religion. So don't feed me that "I want free Sundays" bull. And don't attack me because you have qualms about certain religions.

When it come to religion and these three, don't bother with respect, and you might as well try to reason with a red brick on the topic.

 

[Shogun]

When it come to religion and these three, don't bother with respect, and you might as well try to reason with a red brick on the topic.

Hey, I posted MY evidence. You know, the first step in reasonably proving a position?