Dr Grump
Platinum Member
Well, I guess it's safe to say you don't get out much, Scooter.
Oh, I get it all right. Have had this debate before on another board...handed the guy his arse to him on a plate, too....
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Well, I guess it's safe to say you don't get out much, Scooter.
Well, I guess it's safe to say you don't get out much, Scooter.
Oh, I get it all right. Have had this debate before on another board...handed the guy his arse to him on a plate, too....
Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.
Not only was Carter stupid, he was an empty scrote. Worst president of the 20th century.
Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.
Get a grip, numbnuts.
I do not think Carter was stupid, by all indications he is quite intelligent, but intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing, in particular political wisdom. Political wisdom requires almost an instinctual ability to understand human nature, and the changing influences culture will have on human nature, the deep, primal motivations of power. Carter never really understood America’s adversaries because he created an intellectual framework for interpreting the world that did not comport with human nature. Indeed he over thought things projecting his idealism on America’s enemies and convincing himself much of the conflict in the world was a misunderstanding.
Intellectuals often do this; I think President Obama suffers from this as well.
Statesmanship requires some intelligence, but it also requires a visceral understanding of human instinct, human lust for power.
It is much more of an art than a management process.
No... that is an activist. Peace missions... pfft. Dumbest damn concept in the world. He's also certified more corrupt and fraudulant elections than any former president.
Whooptie fucking doo.
Iran used weapons against troops in Iraq?Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.
Get a grip, numbnuts.
You get a grip dumb ass, Iran likely used those weapons against US Troops in Iraq. And Carter didn't start either war, so what is your problem? You a Peace Nik all of a sudden? A friggin hippie trying to reform? Wantabe WWII pilot? Monatana is full of you over the hill grape lickers.
The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.
Iran used weapons against troops in Iraq?Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.
Get a grip, numbnuts.
You get a grip dumb ass, Iran likely used those weapons against US Troops in Iraq. And Carter didn't start either war, so what is your problem? You a Peace Nik all of a sudden? A friggin hippie trying to reform? Wantabe WWII pilot? Monatana is full of you over the hill grape lickers.
You're drunk, aren't you?
No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".No... that is an activist. Peace missions... pfft. Dumbest damn concept in the world. He's also certified more corrupt and fraudulant elections than any former president.
Whooptie fucking doo.
Because you live in a perfect world, right?
No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".
I live in the real world, not some fantasy world of 'neverwillbe'. At least he usually wasted private funds, not government, after he was out of office.
And this is all due to Carter? Horse fucking shit. This is due in part to the government and ruling families of those nations, and the work of the Israelies kicking their ass 4 times, as well as trying to be good neighbors. The world knows Carter is a closet anti-semite.No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".
I live in the real world, not some fantasy world of 'neverwillbe'. At least he usually wasted private funds, not government, after he was out of office.
So Egypt and Jordan are not at peace with Israel? Well, fuck me dead....you must be living in an alternative world...
The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.
Ohh, you didn't like the peanuts? Can you ship your brew to CA.?
And you raise a good question about citizen rights, the ability to make whatever is legal in America. A different thread and category, but interesting subject matter.
Actually, Carter did OK as a president, and I see nothing more than rightwing negative PR feeding here. The only thing he gets rapped for is the economy, and it was not a depression, so what is the big deal? He wasn't lying to the people about WMDs, or torturing human beings, flooding the gulf with oil, and being a drunken obnoxious asshole in public at the Olympics. What did he really do to deserve the scorn? NADA
The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.
Ohh, you didn't like the peanuts? Can you ship your brew to CA.?
And you raise a good question about citizen rights, the ability to make whatever is legal in America. A different thread and category, but interesting subject matter.
Actually, Carter did OK as a president, and I see nothing more than rightwing negative PR feeding here. The only thing he gets rapped for is the economy, and it was not a depression, so what is the big deal? He wasn't lying to the people about WMDs, or torturing human beings, flooding the gulf with oil, and being a drunken obnoxious asshole in public at the Olympics. What did he really do to deserve the scorn? NADA
I've shipped a few cases to some friends in Kentucky through Fedex and UPS. It's illegal to sell it unless you have all of your licenses. It's legal to give it away for free.
You won't find a lib that will label him so. Worst president of the 20th Century.
Reagan was stupid -but not Carter....................................according to lib-think..................
You won't find a lib that will label him so. Worst president of the 20th Century.
Reagan was stupid -but not Carter....................................according to lib-think..................
Talking "politics", of course.
Pick an adjective that's a helluva lot more stupid than STOOOOOOPPPPPPPIIIIIDDDDDD.......and that will be "Peanuts" Carter.
Please note the difference in "class" and "graciousness" when comparing presidential behaviour...... especially post presidency.