Was Jimmy Carter STUPID?

[Dr Grump]

Well, I guess it's safe to say you don't get out much, Scooter.

Oh, I get it all right. Have had this debate before on another board...handed the guy his arse to him on a plate, too....

 

[uscitizen]

Well, I guess it's safe to say you don't get out much, Scooter.

Oh, I get it all right. Have had this debate before on another board...handed the guy his arse to him on a plate, too....

You must be into french cusine.

 

[Oddball]

LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.

Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.

Get a grip, numbnuts.

 

[shintao]

Not only was Carter stupid, he was an empty scrote. Worst president of the 20th century.

LMAO! You ain't been around. And by the way, Carter won the Noble Peace Prize. You have any righty loonies who succeeded in doing that?

 

[shintao]

LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.

Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.

Get a grip, numbnuts.

You get a grip dumb ass, Iran likely used those weapons against US Troops in Iraq. And Carter didn't start either war, so what is your problem? You a Peace Nik all of a sudden? A friggin hippie trying to reform? Wantabe WWII pilot? Monatana is full of you over the hill grape lickers.

 

[shintao]

I do not think Carter was stupid, by all indications he is quite intelligent, but intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing, in particular political wisdom. Political wisdom requires almost an instinctual ability to understand human nature, and the changing influences culture will have on human nature, the deep, primal motivations of power. Carter never really understood America’s adversaries because he created an intellectual framework for interpreting the world that did not comport with human nature. Indeed he over thought things projecting his idealism on America’s enemies and convincing himself much of the conflict in the world was a misunderstanding.

Intellectuals often do this; I think President Obama suffers from this as well.

Statesmanship requires some intelligence, but it also requires a visceral understanding of human instinct, human lust for power.

It is much more of an art than a management process.

Nice lecture, no meat & potatoes, just BS. Carter has been on more peace missions than any other president, and negotiated more peace deals. That is a statesman, in case you misunderstood the term.

Carter has received honorary degrees from many American and foreign colleges and universities. They include:

LL.D. (honoris causa) Morehouse College, 1972; Morris Brown College, 1972; University of Notre Dame, 1977; Emory University, 1979; Kwansei Gakuin University, 1981; Georgia Southwestern College, 1981; New York Law School, 1985; Bates College, 1985; Centre College, 1987; Creighton University, 1987; University of Pennsylvania, 1998
D.E. (honoris causa) Georgia Institute of Technology, 1979
PhD (honoris causa) Weizmann Institute of Science, 1980; Tel Aviv University, 1983; University of Haifa, 1987
D.H.L. (honoris causa) Central Connecticut State University, 1985; Trinity College, 1998; Hoseo University, 1998
Doctor (honoris causa) G.O.C. University, 1995; University of Juba, 2002
Honorary Fellow of Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, 2007
Honorary Fellow of Mansfield College, Oxford, 2007
Among the honors Carter has received are the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1999 and the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. Others include:

Freedom of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne, England, 1977
Silver Buffalo Award, Boy Scouts of America, 1978
Gold medal, International Institute for Human Rights, 1979
International Mediation medal, American Arbitration Association, 1979
Martin Luther King, Jr., Nonviolent Peace Prize, 1979
International Human Rights Award, Synagogue Council of America, 1979
Conservationist of the Year Award, 1979
Harry S. Truman Public Service Award, 1981
Ansel Adams Conservation Award, Wilderness Society, 1982
Human Rights Award, International League of Human Rights, 1983
World Methodist Peace Award, 1985
Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism, 1987
Edwin C. Whitehead Award, National Center for Health Education, 1989
Jefferson Award, American Institute of Public Service, 1990
Liberty Medal, National Constitution Center, 1990
Spirit of America Award, National Council for the Social Studies, 1990
Physicians for Social Responsibility Award, 1991
Aristotle Prize, Alexander S. Onassis Foundation, 1991
W. Averell Harriman Democracy Award, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, 1992
Spark M. Matsunaga Medal of Peace, US Institute of Peace, 1993
Humanitarian Award, CARE International, 1993
Conservationist of the Year Medal, National Wildlife Federation, 1993
Rotary Award for World Understanding, 1994
J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding, 1994
National Civil Rights Museum Freedom Award, 1994
UNESCO Félix Houphouët-Boigny Peace Prize, 1994
Great Cross of the Order of Vasco Nunéz de Balboa, Panama, 1995
Bishop John T. Walker Distinguished Humanitarian Award, Africare, 1996
Humanitarian of the Year, GQ Awards, 1996
Kiwanis International Humanitarian Award, 1996
Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace, Disarmament and Development, 1997
Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter Awards for Humanitarian Contributions to the Health of Humankind, National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, 1997
United Nations Human Rights Award, 1998
The Hoover Medal, 1998
The Delta Prize for Global Understanding, University of Georgia, 1999
International Child Survival Award, UNICEF Atlanta, 1999
William Penn Mott, Jr., Park Leadership Award, National Parks Conservation Association, 2000[127]
Zayed International Prize for the Environment, 2001
Jonathan M. Daniels Humanitarian Award, VMI, 2001
Herbert Hoover Humanitarian Award, Boys & Girls Clubs of America, 2001
Christopher Award, 2002
Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album, National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, 2007[128]
Berkeley Medal, University of California campus, May 2, 2007
International Award for Excellence and Creativity, Palestinian Authority, 2009[129]
Mahatma Gandhi Global Nonviolence Award, Mahatma Gandhi Center for Global Nonviolence, James Madison University (to be awarded September 21, 2009, in Harrisonburg, Virginia, and to be shared with his wife, Rosalynn Carter)
Recipient of 2009 American Peace Award along with Rosalynn Carter[130]
International Catalonia Award 2010

 

[Big Fitz]

No... that is an activist. Peace missions... pfft. Dumbest damn concept in the world. He's also certified more corrupt and fraudulant elections than any former president.

Whooptie fucking doo.

 

[Dr Grump]

No... that is an activist. Peace missions... pfft. Dumbest damn concept in the world. He's also certified more corrupt and fraudulant elections than any former president.

Whooptie fucking doo.

Because you live in a perfect world, right?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.

 

[Oddball]

LMAO!! How did Iran Contra work out?? I don't think we ever had a president with his own for hire military before, or one who supplied our enemies with weapons to be used against us. At least Carter was the commander of the US Military, not the Reagan-Bush Mafia hit team.

Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.

Get a grip, numbnuts.

You get a grip dumb ass, Iran likely used those weapons against US Troops in Iraq. And Carter didn't start either war, so what is your problem? You a Peace Nik all of a sudden? A friggin hippie trying to reform? Wantabe WWII pilot? Monatana is full of you over the hill grape lickers.

Iran used weapons against troops in Iraq?

You're drunk, aren't you?

 

[shintao]

The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.

Ohh, you didn't like the peanuts? Can you ship your brew to CA.?

And you raise a good question about citizen rights, the ability to make whatever is legal in America. A different thread and category, but interesting subject matter.

Actually, Carter did OK as a president, and I see nothing more than rightwing negative PR feeding here. The only thing he gets rapped for is the economy, and it was not a depression, so what is the big deal? He wasn't lying to the people about WMDs, or torturing human beings, flooding the gulf with oil, and being a drunken obnoxious asshole in public at the Olympics. What did he really do to deserve the scorn? NADA

 

[shintao]

Right...Iran/Contra is easily more heinous than 36,000+ (Korea) and 58,000+ ('nam) American boys killed, on far away foreign soil, on a couple of big packs of lies.

Get a grip, numbnuts.

You get a grip dumb ass, Iran likely used those weapons against US Troops in Iraq. And Carter didn't start either war, so what is your problem? You a Peace Nik all of a sudden? A friggin hippie trying to reform? Wantabe WWII pilot? Monatana is full of you over the hill grape lickers.

Iran used weapons against troops in Iraq?

You're drunk, aren't you?

No, I am on tea, but obviously you are on crack & the bowl. The operative word is "likely." I guess you missed that word in your euphoric purple haze. Do you think Iran just set them on the shelf to look at? And how about the likely hood that Reagan cut a deal with Iran during the Carter presidency that made those prisoners remain in captivity longer than they should have?

 

[Big Fitz]

No... that is an activist. Peace missions... pfft. Dumbest damn concept in the world. He's also certified more corrupt and fraudulant elections than any former president.

Whooptie fucking doo.

Because you live in a perfect world, right?

No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".

I live in the real world, not some fantasy world of 'neverwillbe'. At least he usually wasted private funds, not government, after he was out of office.

 

[Dr Grump]

No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".

I live in the real world, not some fantasy world of 'neverwillbe'. At least he usually wasted private funds, not government, after he was out of office.

So Egypt and Jordan are not at peace with Israel? Well, fuck me dead....you must be living in an alternative world...

 

[Big Fitz]

No, because I'm a realist and having a 'conference' on the subject of peace in an area where they're too goddamn stupid to put down the weapons is worthless as tits on a boar hog. You can't even arbiter a peace between people who's minimum starting position is "death to the other side... then we'll talk".

I live in the real world, not some fantasy world of 'neverwillbe'. At least he usually wasted private funds, not government, after he was out of office.

So Egypt and Jordan are not at peace with Israel? Well, fuck me dead....you must be living in an alternative world...

And this is all due to Carter? Horse fucking shit. This is due in part to the government and ruling families of those nations, and the work of the Israelies kicking their ass 4 times, as well as trying to be good neighbors. The world knows Carter is a closet anti-semite.

 

[mdn2000]

You won't find a lib that will label him so. Worst president of the 20th Century.

Reagan was stupid -but not Carter....................................according to lib-think..................

uh, he was, liberal

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.

Ohh, you didn't like the peanuts? Can you ship your brew to CA.?

And you raise a good question about citizen rights, the ability to make whatever is legal in America. A different thread and category, but interesting subject matter.

Actually, Carter did OK as a president, and I see nothing more than rightwing negative PR feeding here. The only thing he gets rapped for is the economy, and it was not a depression, so what is the big deal? He wasn't lying to the people about WMDs, or torturing human beings, flooding the gulf with oil, and being a drunken obnoxious asshole in public at the Olympics. What did he really do to deserve the scorn? NADA

I've shipped a few cases to some friends in Kentucky through Fedex and UPS. It's illegal to sell it unless you have all of your licenses. It's legal to give it away for free.

 

[mdn2000]

The only good thing that came out of that administration was legalizing homebrew, which I brew about 10 cases of pale ales and bocks every year. He was confused and naive the rest of his term.

Ohh, you didn't like the peanuts? Can you ship your brew to CA.?

And you raise a good question about citizen rights, the ability to make whatever is legal in America. A different thread and category, but interesting subject matter.

Actually, Carter did OK as a president, and I see nothing more than rightwing negative PR feeding here. The only thing he gets rapped for is the economy, and it was not a depression, so what is the big deal? He wasn't lying to the people about WMDs, or torturing human beings, flooding the gulf with oil, and being a drunken obnoxious asshole in public at the Olympics. What did he really do to deserve the scorn? NADA

I've shipped a few cases to some friends in Kentucky through Fedex and UPS. It's illegal to sell it unless you have all of your licenses. It's legal to give it away for free.

Anything for family, I was pissed when my dad threw out my six pack of "Billy Beer".

I almost forgot Carter's brother was a drunk who got his own beer.

 

[gautama]

You won't find a lib that will label him so. Worst president of the 20th Century.

Reagan was stupid -but not Carter....................................according to lib-think..................

Talking "politics", of course.

Pick an adjective that's a helluva lot more stupid than STOOOOOOPPPPPPPIIIIIDDDDDD.......and that will be "Peanuts" Carter.

Please note the difference in "class" and "graciousness" when comparing presidential behaviour...... especially post presidency.

 

[mdn2000]

You won't find a lib that will label him so. Worst president of the 20th Century.

Reagan was stupid -but not Carter....................................according to lib-think..................

Talking "politics", of course.

Pick an adjective that's a helluva lot more stupid than STOOOOOOPPPPPPPIIIIIDDDDDD.......and that will be "Peanuts" Carter.

Please note the difference in "class" and "graciousness" when comparing presidential behaviour...... especially post presidency.

Carter envied the image of Che Guevara working in the cane fields.