Warrantless surveillance slipping further?

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    Supposed to be reserved for cases where one of the callers is thought to have ties to terrorists.

    Report: U.S. spied on Americans' intimate conversations abroad - CNN.com
     
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    They monitor everyone's calls these days and the Patriot Act gave them the legal right to do so. A girl from my high school had her phone tapped because her grandparents were Iranian and her dad worked at a power plant. Privacy? Psh, that is a thing of the past.
     
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    I don't think that is right. I think there are some restraints, and that this report shows something illegal.
     
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    Just google "Echelon" to find out all about how average Americans are being spied on by the government.
     
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    The government says that they'll only spy on suspected terrorists, but I personally don't think the government is qualified to decide who should be considered a terrorist. But who needs their 4th amendment rights, right?
     
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    Many years ago the NSA located their listening station in West Virginia because that is where Ma Bell had her satellite uplink station. Believe me, they have been listening in for years.
     
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    Umm, my guess is that she was being paranoid. If they did tap you, you wouldn't know, and they can't without an Article III warrant (i.e. a domestic warrant),unless its an overseas call.
     
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    I honestly believe you give the Federal government way too much credit. Go look into the Patriot Act a little bit. I think you will be shocked at what you find. The government has a lot of leeway in deciding who to tap and who not to. The "War on Terror" has not been a good thing for our right to privacy. There is not much left and the sooner you realize that, the better.
     
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    I really don't. I am the last one to be a fan of the federal government. But the patriot act has nothing to do with domestic to domestic phone calls. Look it up yourself, let me know if you can find anything there. It only has to do with foreign phone calls. The government does have a lot of leeway in deciding who to tap: but only in very certain circumstances.

    The WoT hasn't been good for privacy, but there is still a LOT more left, believe me. If there is another attack on US soil, you'll see how much more you can complain about once they take away more rights.
     
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    You are being naive.

    My ex had her phone tapped because she was involved in publishing a book about secret defense department info. Her phone had a double click on it, when she picked it up. She called the phone company and they said, "Yes, your phone is probably tapped. There's probably a guy in a van somewhere who is bored to death listening to your calls."
     

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