W VA Chem Spill... Get ready for a new Attack on Coal by Obama and the Left

[NYcarbineer]

This thread might be the quickest politicization of a disaster in USMB history.

 

[bripat9643]

Dumbest post of 2014 so far.

Yours already have 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.

Putting aside the horrible logical fallacy in your bogus analogy, look at the topic title. Then read the article in the OP. Try your bestest to find any reference to coal mining.

You really do hear voices in your head, don't you.

You're only proving that you deserved to win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. This entire thread is about coal mining.

 

[bripat9643]

Thank you. I may be making a trip there to bring some of my family members here.

There is zero water there. I do know that the National guard is transporting water. Thank goodness, my family already had some bottled water.
Hospitals are in big trouble. They claim to have backup water resource, but it can only last so long.

They have to drink bottled water?

Oh, the horror!

The Voice of the Brain Dead speaks.

"It's just 5,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in the water! So what? 300,000 people suddenly can't bathe or cook or drink it. They can wash their stinking bodies with bottles of Evian. Why should we even bother to clean it up? That would cost too much! I fail to see the big deal...

"Vote GOP!"

It's an inconvenience, not a tragedy. No one needs to go into mourning about having to cook with bottled water instead of getting it from the tap.

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks, hopefully all are okay and water will be provided ASAP.

Hopefully the geyser of stupidity erupting in this thread will end shortly, but I don't have much confidence in that.

Aw sucks, so you're going to hang around for the duration.

I hang around just because it annoys you so much.

 

[bripat9643]

This thread might be the quickest politicization of a disaster in USMB history.

The smallest unit of measurable time is the time between a mass shooting and the time a media news outlet claims the perpetrator was a member of the TEA Party.

 

[candycorn]

They have to drink bottled water?

Oh, the horror!

The Voice of the Brain Dead speaks.

"It's just 5,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in the water! So what? 300,000 people suddenly can't bathe or cook or drink it. They can wash their stinking bodies with bottles of Evian. Why should we even bother to clean it up? That would cost too much! I fail to see the big deal...

"Vote GOP!"

It's an inconvenience, not a tragedy. No one needs to go into mourning about having to cook with bottled water instead of getting it from the tap.

What do they use for showers...washing clothes...watering their lawns....washing their cars....boating....

This is why you don't want the private sector running nuke plants; they cut corners and people like you defend them. Thankfully it's "just " the Elk River being polluted. This type of command and control at Indian Point or Savannah and we're talking tens of thousands of deaths.

I'm all for nuke but let the Navy run it; they know what they're doing and there is zero tolerance for BS on the job.

 

[bripat9643]

The Voice of the Brain Dead speaks.

"It's just 5,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in the water! So what? 300,000 people suddenly can't bathe or cook or drink it. They can wash their stinking bodies with bottles of Evian. Why should we even bother to clean it up? That would cost too much! I fail to see the big deal...

"Vote GOP!"

It's an inconvenience, not a tragedy. No one needs to go into mourning about having to cook with bottled water instead of getting it from the tap.

What do they use for showers...washing clothes...watering their lawns....washing their cars....boating....

Yes, that is inconvenient, but it's nothing to cry about. No one was injured or killed.

This is why you don't want the private sector running nuke plants; they cut corners and people like you defend them. Thankfully it's "just " the Elk River being polluted. This type of command and control at Indian Point or Savannah and we're talking tens of thousands of deaths.

I'm all for nuke but let the Navy run it; they know what they're doing and there is zero tolerance for BS on the job.

You're forgetting that the Navy has two nuclear submarines lying on the bottom of the ocean. They have been leaking radiation into the water ever since they went down.

Then there's also Chernobyl to consider. That facility was designed and run by the Soviet government. If you look at the record of the Soviet record, you see a litany of unprecedented industrial disasters and environmental nightmares.

If you think the U.S. government would do a better job, then consider the mess at the Hanford nuclear reactor, a facility originally built during WW II to produce weapons grade plutonium. For those of you who aren't familiar with this disaster you'll find a link below:

Hanford nuclear site clean-up: The mess gets worse - Investigations

Then there's Rocky Flats near Denver. It was a facility for manufacturing plutonium detonators for thermonuclear warheads.

Rocky Flats Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On September 11, 1957, a plutonium fire occurred in one of the gloveboxes used to handle radioactive materials, igniting the combustible rubber gloves and plexiglass windows of the box. Metallic plutonium is a fire hazard and pyrophoric; under the right conditions it may ignite in air at room temperature. The accident resulted in the contamination of Building 771 and the release of plutonium into the atmosphere, and caused US $818,600 in damage. An incinerator for plutonium-contaminated waste was installed in Building 771 in 1958.

Barrels of radioactive waste were found to be leaking into an open field in 1959. This was not made publicly known until 1970 when wind-borne particles were detected in Denver.

May 11, 1969 saw a major fire in a glovebox in Building 776/777.[3] This was the costliest industrial accident ever to occur in the United States up to that time. Cleanup from the accident took two years and led to safety upgrades on the site, including fire sprinkler systems and firewalls.

In order to reduce the danger of public contamination and to create a security area around the plant following protests, the United States Congress authorized the purchase of a 4,600 acre (18 km²) buffer zone around the plant in 1972. In 1973, nearby Walnut Creek and the Great Western Reservoir were found to have elevated tritium levels. The tritium was determined to have been released from contaminated materials shipped to Rocky Flats from the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. Discovery of the contamination by the Colorado Department of Health led to investigations by the AEC and United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). As a result of the investigation, several mitigation efforts were put in place to prevent further contamination. Some of the elements included channeling of wastewater runoff to three dams for testing before release into the water system and construction of a reverse osmosis facility to clean up wastewater.

The next year, elevated plutonium levels were found in the topsoil near the now covered Pad 903. An additional 4,500 acres (18 km²) of buffer zone were purchased.

Yeah, government has a great safety record. The only reason you don't hear about government industrial accidents as often as commercial industrial accidents is the fact that government doesn't do hardly any industrial production.

 

[bripat9643]

Thank you. I may be making a trip there to bring some of my family members here.

There is zero water there. I do know that the National guard is transporting water. Thank goodness, my family already had some bottled water.
Hospitals are in big trouble. They claim to have backup water resource, but it can only last so long.

They have to drink bottled water?

Oh, the horror!

Next thing you know they'll be asking for other modern convenieces, like them horse-less carriages, and electric. This is the entitlement mentality liberals have created.

You idiot.

Thinking they are never going to have clean drinking water again is the sign of an idiot.

 

[candycorn]

It's an inconvenience, not a tragedy. No one needs to go into mourning about having to cook with bottled water instead of getting it from the tap.

What do they use for showers...washing clothes...watering their lawns....washing their cars....boating....

Yes, that is inconvenient, but it's nothing to cry about. No one was injured or killed.

As an act of faith, why don't you live on nothing but bottled water for a week and see how it's nothing to cry about....care to do it?

Yeah, government has a great safety record. The only reason you don't hear about government industrial accidents as often as commercial industrial accidents is the fact that government doesn't do hardly any industrial production.

Whatever you do, you're going to have mishaps either with men or machinery. If Humans make it, there will be flaws because Humans are flawed people. Beyond that, there are simple acts of God where you have natural disasters that affect the best designs.

That there are hundreds of ships with nuclear reactors on them, many sitting under water for months at a time, or getting tossed about on 20-30 foot waves, spending months at sea and there are so incredibly few incidents is all the evidence I need.

Nuke is the power source of the future. Liberals need to get over it and embrace it as the clean and safe alternative it can be.

 

[bripat9643]

What do they use for showers...washing clothes...watering their lawns....washing their cars....boating....

Yes, that is inconvenient, but it's nothing to cry about. No one was injured or killed.

As an act of faith, why don't you live on nothing but bottled water for a week and see how it's nothing to cry about....care to do it?

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

Yeah, government has a great safety record. The only reason you don't hear about government industrial accidents as often as commercial industrial accidents is the fact that government doesn't do hardly any industrial production.

Whatever you do, you're going to have mishaps either with men or machinery. If Humans make it, there will be flaws because Humans are flawed people. Beyond that, there are simple acts of God where you have natural disasters that affect the best designs.

That kind of undercuts your argument for using this accident as an excuse to have over all nuclear power to the Navy, doesn't it?

That there are hundreds of ships with nuclear reactors on them, many sitting under water for months at a time, or getting tossed about on 20-30 foot waves, spending months at sea and there are so incredibly few incidents is all the evidence I need.

Nuke is the power source of the future. Liberals need to get over it and embrace it as the clean and safe alternative it can be.

There are 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers and less than 100 nuclear powered submarines. two downed submarines out of that total does not make for a very good record. How many commercial nuclear power plants are there?

 

[Coyote]

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

Why don't you try it? But wait - not just you.

Let's say you have a family - a wife, 3 children under the age of 6, including an infant and a toddler. Let's say you also are a farmer running maybe 30 cattle through the winter. And, your aged grandmother is in a local nursing home. How much bottled water will it take to handle all that? How about milking the cows, sanitizing the equipment and hosing out manure? How about keeping the kids at least somewhat clean - especially an infant? Cattle take A LOT of water - you don't have it running on your property so how are you going to keep the tanks filled? It's not like your pipes froze so you can borrow from your neighbor until you can get them thawed and fixed - he doesn't have any either. And none of you know how long this is going to last or if there will be long term issues.

Easy peasy. What a bunch of whiners.

 

[bripat9643]

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

Why don't you try it? But wait - not just you.

Let's say you have a family - a wife, 3 children under the age of 6, including an infant and a toddler. Let's say you also are a farmer running maybe 30 cattle through the winter. And, your aged grandmother is in a local nursing home. How much bottled water will it take to handle all that? How about milking the cows, sanitizing the equipment and hosing out manure? How about keeping the kids at least somewhat clean - especially an infant? Cattle take A LOT of water - you don't have it running on your property so how are you going to keep the tanks filled? It's not like your pipes froze so you can borrow from your neighbor until you can get them thawed and fixed - he doesn't have any either. And none of you know how long this is going to last or if there will be long term issues.

Easy peasy. What a bunch of whiners.

If you live on a farm, then you're probably getting your water from a well. You scenario is implausible.

Get a clue. No one said it's not terribly inconvenient. Having a hurricane blow your entire neighborhood away is also inconvenient. However, no one was even injured in this incident. It's not a huge tragedy.

 

[candycorn]

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

Why don't you try it? But wait - not just you.

Let's say you have a family - a wife, 3 children under the age of 6, including an infant and a toddler. Let's say you also are a farmer running maybe 30 cattle through the winter. And, your aged grandmother is in a local nursing home. How much bottled water will it take to handle all that? How about milking the cows, sanitizing the equipment and hosing out manure? How about keeping the kids at least somewhat clean - especially an infant? Cattle take A LOT of water - you don't have it running on your property so how are you going to keep the tanks filled? It's not like your pipes froze so you can borrow from your neighbor until you can get them thawed and fixed - he doesn't have any either. And none of you know how long this is going to last or if there will be long term issues.

Easy peasy. What a bunch of whiners.

Its really incredible how callus the right wingers can be...especially to other right wingers. This is probably why most of the nimrods didn't realize Governor Romney was talking about them when he uttered his famous 47% statement.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, that is inconvenient, but it's nothing to cry about. No one was injured or killed.

As an act of faith, why don't you live on nothing but bottled water for a week and see how it's nothing to cry about....care to do it?

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

So are you willing to do it? Bathe in it...water your plants with it, do your laundry with it....feed your children with it?

I'm guessing not but since the calamity isn't affecting you, you simply don't give a shit...am I right? Just come out and admit it.

Whatever you do, you're going to have mishaps either with men or machinery. If Humans make it, there will be flaws because Humans are flawed people. Beyond that, there are simple acts of God where you have natural disasters that affect the best designs.

That kind of undercuts your argument for using this accident as an excuse to have over all nuclear power to the Navy, doesn't it?

No.

My stance for Nuke power is independent of this calamity or whenever the next traincar overturns/rots out from the additives of fracking.

I agreed with John McCain about Nuke energy.

That there are hundreds of ships with nuclear reactors on them, many sitting under water for months at a time, or getting tossed about on 20-30 foot waves, spending months at sea and there are so incredibly few incidents is all the evidence I need.

Nuke is the power source of the future. Liberals need to get over it and embrace it as the clean and safe alternative it can be.

There are 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers and less than 100 nuclear powered submarines. two downed submarines out of that total does not make for a very good record. How many commercial nuclear power plants are there?

Not sure how many commercial ones there are.

Having 2 subs that went down given the operating environments is a fantastic record.

 

[Coyote]

Boo Hoo! The poor little darlings. No one ever had to go without running water for a whole week before! It's horrible!

Why don't you try it? But wait - not just you.

Let's say you have a family - a wife, 3 children under the age of 6, including an infant and a toddler. Let's say you also are a farmer running maybe 30 cattle through the winter. And, your aged grandmother is in a local nursing home. How much bottled water will it take to handle all that? How about milking the cows, sanitizing the equipment and hosing out manure? How about keeping the kids at least somewhat clean - especially an infant? Cattle take A LOT of water - you don't have it running on your property so how are you going to keep the tanks filled? It's not like your pipes froze so you can borrow from your neighbor until you can get them thawed and fixed - he doesn't have any either. And none of you know how long this is going to last or if there will be long term issues.

Easy peasy. What a bunch of whiners.

If you live on a farm, then you're probably getting your water from a well. You scenario is implausible.

Get a clue. No one said it's not terribly inconvenient. Having a hurricane blow your entire neighborhood away is also inconvenient. However, no one was even injured in this incident. It's not a huge tragedy.

Get a clue. Not all our farms get water from a well. Add to that there is no information on what effect that might be on underground water systems that feed a well. Not everyone has a deep well, my friends for example get there water from a surface well.

It is a huge tragedy - if you are there - because you are dealing with a spill effecting a huge portion of the Elk River and it's watershed, no one actually knows what a toxic or safe level for this compound is, no one knows how long it will remain in the waterways or what the long term effect is. Sure - it's not like a tsunami or tornado. But it's not just an "inconvenience" - not if it effects *you*.

 

[candycorn]

"The storage facility owned by Freedom Industries Inc. on the banks of the Elk River was subject to almost no state and local monitoring, interviews and records show. The industrial chemical that leaked into the river, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, isn't closely tracked by federal programs. Before last week's spill, a state regulator said environmental inspectors hadn't visited the site since 1991."

Did you know 300,000 (thats over a quarter of a million) people are having to boil water to shower, wash clothes, cook, bathe.... Fortunately they have bottled water for drinking.

More at the source:

West Virginia Chemical-Spill Site Avoided Broad Regulatory Scrutiny - WSJ.com

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wheres the free market with their super duper cost effective solutions?

 

[candycorn]

Kennedy filed for bankruptcy in 2005 after he was charged with tax evasion and willful failure to pay employees' withholdings to the government. He pleaded guilty to both charges in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of West Virginia.

He admitted that between 2000 and 2003, while he was the accountant for Freedom Industries, Poca Blending and New River Chemical Co., he withheld more than $1 million from employee paychecks that he never passed on to the federal government, according to court filings. He also owed more than $200,000 in state taxes.

"Carl L. Kennedy II took steps to conceal a large portion of his income from the Internal Revenue Service by, among other things, using his position as an accountant to ensure a W2 form was not filed in his name," the court document reads, "using corporate funds for his personal benefit and writing corporate checks to cash for his personal enrichment."

He was sentenced to more than three years in prison, but had his sentence cut almost in half after he cooperated with authorities by making controlled cocaine buys and wearing a wire in conversations with a former business associate.

Could you imagine such a guy running a nuke plant? This is why we need air-tight oversight on these matters.

More at the source: - - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -

 

[bripat9643]

Kennedy filed for bankruptcy in 2005 after he was charged with tax evasion and willful failure to pay employees' withholdings to the government. He pleaded guilty to both charges in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of West Virginia.

He admitted that between 2000 and 2003, while he was the accountant for Freedom Industries, Poca Blending and New River Chemical Co., he withheld more than $1 million from employee paychecks that he never passed on to the federal government, according to court filings. He also owed more than $200,000 in state taxes.

"Carl L. Kennedy II took steps to conceal a large portion of his income from the Internal Revenue Service by, among other things, using his position as an accountant to ensure a W2 form was not filed in his name," the court document reads, "using corporate funds for his personal benefit and writing corporate checks to cash for his personal enrichment."

He was sentenced to more than three years in prison, but had his sentence cut almost in half after he cooperated with authorities by making controlled cocaine buys and wearing a wire in conversations with a former business associate.

Could you imagine such a guy running a nuke plant? This is why we need air-tight oversight on these matters.

More at the source: - - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports -

Can you imagine these people running a nuclear plant?

Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013 to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 of campaign funds. In August 2013 Jackson was sentenced to two and half years imprisonment.

Thomas Porteous (D) The Federal Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana was impeached, convicted and removed from office on December 8, 2010 on charges of bribery and lying to Congress. He had been appointed to office by Bill Clinton in 1994. (2010)

William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway, but lost in 2008. He was convicted of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years in prison on November 13, 2009.[15] Jefferson's Chief of Staff Brett Pfeffer, was sentenced to 84 months for bribery. (2006)

Jim Traficant (D-OH) found guilty on 10 felony counts of financial corruption was sentenced to 8 years in prison and expelled from the US House of Representatives. (2002)

Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to federal charges of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and was sentenced to 4 years in prison.

Wade Sanders (D), Deputy Assistant United States Secretary of the Navy, for Reserve Affairs, was sentenced to 37 months in prison on one charge of possession of child pornography. (2009)

Mel Reynolds (D-IL) was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. (1997) Was later convicted of 12 counts of bank fraud. (1999)

Walter R. Tucker III (D-CA) was sentenced to 27 months in prison in 1996 for extortion and tax evasion. (1995)

 

[bripat9643]

Wheres the free market with their super duper cost effective solutions?

Correct, the free market generally does come up with a cost effective solution.