Vote in US Inflames Europeans

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    European attitudes toward the election; especially the leftist media.

     
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    This is gonna sound rediculously shallow, but one of the reasons I love Bush is 'cuz he makes all the Euros go crazy and act funny :laugh:
     
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    i hope that poland and the other euro nations that staked their claim loyally with bush and america overcome the anti-US/anti-Iraq war coalition that has taken hold in much of Europe's leadership. kerry says bush lost the allies, i say many of the allies lost us.
     
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    They'll overcome the anti-US forces in Europe, but once Kerry is elected, thats it.
     
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    You are right NATO.

    In some sense, though, we never really had allies in socialist Western Europe. We had acquaintances who first wanted us to shoot Nazis, and then protect them from the CCCP. Now our usefulness is over. We have made sure their former empires stay buried. We flood their sacrosanct cultures with Americana. Worst of all, we ignore them. America and Europe are on different trajectories. We will not meet any time soon.
     
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    Thus proving true the first rule of Alliances: They die when they win.
     
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    Public sentiment in most of Europe is still driven by the post war consensus
    and the agreement to avoid unnecessary warfare. During the first gulf war public sentiment was also against the war. A majority of the public are peacnicks. The governments within the EU are not united, everyone looks out
    for their national interests. During the cold war the US could force its allies who depended on US troops to keep the Russians out. Now with that gone they go more for their national interest. It depends in the various countries on who is in power, liberals or conservatives. Conservative governments usually seem to be more up to supporting the US. THe left and their socialist agenda feels morally superior and despite the last example of their failure
    the Balkan war have the idea of doing it always with diplomacy only. Another
    factor might be the military weakness of Western Europe. My cousin was
    for the German army in Bosnia and when they he saw the modern US equipment their soldiers had he said he was ashamed how the German army
    still was stuck with cold war equipment, less body armors computer and
    navigational high tech equipment. Because the public sentiment is so anti
    any war defense budgets have been cut over and over. So jealousy towards
    Us power might be another factor that plays a role.

    The major disconnect between the political believes in Europe and the US
    is secularism. Barroso was facing not to be okd by the EU parliament
    because he stated his beliefs that abortion and gay marriage are wrong.
    In secular Europe this is a political nono. Since the 30 years war the seperation of church and state has taken on a position that keeps
    religion out of politics. Even christian party leaders do not invoke god
    in fear of public negative reactions.

    Bush's perceived religious fervor has led to the strong resentment against
    him in most of Europe's population. While the press reports alot about the Us it is mostly focused on the government and the average European has
    no idea about the public more religious sentiment in the US. Often this
    disconnect leads to the perception that the US population is misled by
    their leaders instead of realizing that US politics reflect the wishes
    of their constituents.

    Fortunatly I assume that the Islamic agression will bring finally bring
    the US and EU closer together. Especially conservatives see Islam as
    a threat to the European way of life and with every terror attack they
    will become more agressive in their stand against Islam. It will take some
    time so be patient.
     
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    Because he doesn't pander to European hippies.
     
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    This goes to show you, they make us feel unwated in thier countries. Even resort to offensive statements. I hope all americans for Bush or Kerry decide all the EU is a way for europeans to try and sway voters here. Rather pathetic they care more about ours, then thier own country.
     
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    They should start paying more attention to their impending recession rather than our politics. Though it could be argued if Kerry gets in, American will be an extension of the EU.
     

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