"Vote Early and Often"--The Need to Clean Up Our Election Procedures

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    Interesting article. Since the last presidential election, have any of your states enacted laws to prevent voter fraud? A current photo I.D. is now required in order to cast a vote in my state. Before we could vote in the municipal elections last fall, we had to show a photo I.D. to the workers at the polls.

    How to Run a Clean Election
    What Mexico can teach the United States.
    By John H. Fund, Opinion Journal
    July 10, 2006

    Mexico is likely to weather the controversy over its photo-finish election despite the protestors that losing candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador brought into the streets on Saturday to claim the election had been stolen. Mexico's nonpartisan National Election Commission has built up a decade of credibility in running clean elections and international observers have certified the count as fair. Indeed, in its successful efforts to overcome its old reputation for corrupt vote-counting Mexico has a lot to teach the United States.

    Mexico has developed an elaborate system of safeguards to prevent voter fraud. Absentee ballots, which are cast outside the view of election officials and represent the easiest way to commit fraud, are much harder to apply for than in the U.S. Voters must present a valid voter ID card with a photo and imbedded security codes. After they cast a ballot voters--just like those famously pictured in Iraq last year--also have a finger or thumb dipped in indelible purple ink to prevent them from voting again.

    In the U.S. opponents of such anti-fraud measures as photo ID laws claim they will disenfranchise many voters and reduce voter turnout. But John Lott, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, notes that in the three presidential elections Mexico has conducted since the National Election Commission reformed the election laws "68% of eligible citizens have voted, compared to only 59% in the three elections prior to the rule changes." People are more likely to vote if they believe their ballot will be fairly counted.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008630
     
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    I heard about this the other day. Isnt it sad that Mexico of all places has an electoral process that involves ID's and indellable ink on your hand so that you can only vote once and American Politicians REFUSE to incorporate these measures to ensure fair elections.

    This is a no brainer people. Federally mandate that all State run facilities will still be run by the states for state elections but for all Federal elections (Congress and Presidential) you must have a Voter ID card and you must place your finger or thumb in indellable ink so that you cant vote again that day. Try to pass it and see which politicians are strongly opposed to it. Then you'll know how some got elected.
     
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    Yea you'll see dems fight any measure like that tooth and nail.
     
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    We're trying..........BUT!
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202836,00.html
     
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    Here's my problem: There is no law requiring citizens to carry a photo ID. There is a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to vote to all citizens over 18 (except felons). The real reason Republicans want to require a photo ID is to keep poor people, people with disabilties, and people with limited transportation options from voting because these people vote Democratic. This isn't about voter fraud, Republicans have opposed Democratic efforts to make voting more accessible and to improve machines,etc. This is about Republicans trying to disenfranchise segments of the population that don't vote for them.

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    That's Total BULLSHIT..It's about verifying registered voters, registered being legal.
    That verification doesn’t prevent legal voters from voting.
     
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    All what you spewed here is total BS.

    If a poor person can get to a welfare office to sign up, I'm sure they can get to a DMV, to get a photo id for $10 bucks...
     
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    First off, no, it doesn't. Nowhere in the Constitution is anyone given the right to vote. The ammendment to which you refer only allows people under 18 who otherwise qualify to vote, as opposed to the old age of 21. Under the original government, you could only vote if you owned land. Once again, there's nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing anyone the right to vote.

    In Georgia, the state legislature thought of this 'problem,' despite the fact that those who make it to the welfare office can also make it to the DMV. The state provides free transportation to anyone wishing to obtain a photo ID. They will also send absentee ballots by mail to those who can show proof of GA residency, proof of U.S. citizenship, and have a valid SS number. You don't even have to leave the house. There are even Democrats running voter turnout campaigns and are trying their absolute best to get as many people as possible to take advantage of these programs. So far, the number of people per county who are taking advantage of these programs is around 20, usually less, and that's in Atlanta.
     
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    What a crock of shit. You're telling me that these people don't have ID cards?
    What does an income level or having a disablity have to do with showing an ID card when they vote?

    I am willing to bet that most voter fraud is perpetrated by Dems. We saw in the last election it was mainly Dems doing things like hiring thugs to slash tires of repulican vehicles being used to help promote voting.

    Its funny how every election the dems lose, then they scream voter fraud, yet are completely unwilling to do something about it. Total fucking hypocrits.
     
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    I'm glad Georgia did that, but many states aren't doing that. And no, many people with disabilities cannot make it the DMV by some artificial deadline. Other poor folks don't have reliable transportation. I have no issue with requiring some sort of additional identification at the polls, so long as it is administered fairly and for free. Otherwise, you are violating the Constitutional prohibition against poll taxes, which is exactly what the Georgia court said.

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