CDZ Violent crime in Britain, up 24%, Violent gun crime in U.S. down 75%, with our guns?

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    That isn't an accurate question....the right question is this.....is the gun crime rate in England the same, higher, or lower after they banned and confiscated guns in 1996....and the evidence shows that the gun crime rate in England did not change after they banned guns.....it spiked, then went back to the same level as before the ban...showing that guns are not the issue...guns in the hands of normal British citizens are not the issue in gun crime......

    And the fact that gun crime has been increasing in Britain shows that their gun control laws are not stopping gun crime in Britain...

    That their gun murder rate is lower than us....that is a difference in criminal culture...not gun ownership among law abiding people....their criminals, in the past, did not commit murder as easliy or as often as criminals in democrat voting districts in the United States....

    one source to check this out...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

    And here...

    Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center

    The stats diagram...link to the image...

    http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png
     
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    I wouldn't have thought we would have the nerve to bring up violent crime and gun murders in our mostviolentcountrySo our gun murder rate is 6x the uk's, 3/100000 v's 0.1and theirs is going up?
    Pathetic that people don't even know the UK def of violent crime is defined differently. Bashing someone at closing time is a violent crime.
    Not so Here
     
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    Criminal culture? You mean someone kills their parents every 15 min? The Mississippi white boy who killed and dismembered his parents? The confederate states that lead in murders? What is Chicago again? 4 th after a couple of confed cites in murders?
    Or is it the uppity nixxers again. The U.K. Has less brown people you know
     
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    Or maybe we are inherently a more violent culture. Country Started by immigrants, often the most aggressive and religious nuts. What do we expect?
     
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    Don't usually read more than 2 lines but Couldn't resist the democrat (noun, not adjective) in the middle of any thread!! A hoot
     
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    It is a hoot. I would have though gun crimes would be the last subject we should bring up.
    And nit picking a country that has 6x less, not marginally less than we do is laughable.
    Are we saying 350000000 guns here isn't enough?
     
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    Only 8124?, phew I feel better
     
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    But sandy hook was a misunderstood white boy. Not a member of the dreaded brown criminal culture.
    Since 911 I think us white terrorists are slightly ahead of the Muslims in slayings 80 to 75? Omg 6 / year? An epidemic
     
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    And you don't understand the actual issue...British criminals have guns...lots of guns.....they simply don't use them to commit murder...they enacted gun control after 1996....and their gun crime rate did not change...so their gun control laws had no effect on their gun crime and their gun murder rate...except that it now went up 42% in London....

    We on the other hand, went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns....and from 4.7 million people carrying guns legally for self defense to over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense...legally....

    And our gun crime rate dropped 75%.

    Our gun murder rate dropped 49%.

    Our violent crime rate dropped 72%.....their violent crime rate went up 24% last year.....after they banned guns...

    And no....a clerical change did not increase their crime rates.....nice try though.....
     
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    Well lets see- the UK firearm homicide rate is almost non-existent- compared to the United States.

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    I am glad that the fire arm homicide rate in the United States is coming down. Imagine how low it would be if we had as few guns in circulation as the UK?
     

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