Victims Do Not Define Necessary Force

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    How does any district attorney know that an intruder was not intent on killing? The answer is HE CANNOT KNOW. Even if an attacker is only wounded he will swear he only came to steal not kill. The same defense can be used by a rapist if a woman shoots him. “I was only going to rape her not kill her.”

    Dead victims cannot testify is the best defense of all.


    I think every American knows that they will get no help from the federal government when it comes to defending themselves. Refusing to acknowledge that America is at war against Islamic extremists is an extension of not being able to use necessary force defending yourself from traditional criminals. The local district attorney defines necessary. Example: If you shoot and kill a criminal that breaks into your home the D.A. can say he was a burglar, and death is not the penalty for burglary. Ergo, Muslims trying to convert you to Islam does not call for the death penalty.​

    Democrat Policy: Inculcating Fear

    Zachary Peters defending himself in Oklahoma would be a media cause célèbre had the criminals been black, Latino, or Muslim:

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    Jacob Redfearn (left), Max Cook (middle) and Jake Woodruff (right) were shot and killed as they tried to burglarize an Oklahoma home on March 27 (Photo: Facebook)
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    I would like to ask Redfearn’s grandfather if he will feel the same way about Marquess of Queensberry rules if Muslims ever break into his home?

    But now Redfearn’s grandfather says it was never a “fair” fight, and the teens shouldn’t have been killed.

    “What these three boys did was stupid,” Leroy Schumacher told Oklahoma’s KTUL-TV 8.

    “They knew they could be punished for it, but they did not deserve to die.”​

    I feel sorry for Zachary Peters. He has not been charged, but that will not be the end of it. Just wait until the death penalty bleeding hearts get on his case. Even if he is tried and acquitted in Oklahoma the federal government will charge him with a hate crime. Hate crime is a bigger travesty than hate speech. Murder is murder. Codifying “Hate crimes” is discriminatory in that it makes one victim more important than another in the eyes of the law. If ever the slippery slope argument was applicable it is convicting an accused defendant based on motive alone.

    NOTE: “Necessary criminal intent” is doublespeak for motive. Inspector Clouseau behaved like a district attorney assuming that an attacker came to steal not kill. The fact is that he was afraid of what he would find if he looked for motive in Hillary’s connection to the Muslim Brotherhood:

    Clinton should have known better than to send classified information, Comey affirmed, adding, "I think she was extremely careless. I think she was negligent. That I could establish. What we can't establish is that she acted with the necessary criminal intent."​

    Comey: No evidence that Clinton acted with 'necessary criminal intent'
    By Nick Gass
    07/07/16 01:32 PM EDT

    Comey: No evidence that Clinton acted with 'necessary criminal intent'

    One unrelated remark defined as hate speech made by a defendant years before he was charged can be used to prove he or she committed a hate crime. Bottom line: You can be charged in federal court after a state court acquits.

    Aside from losing the First Amendment’s free speech protection the accused loses double jeopardy.


    Double Jeopardy - FindLaw

    The man who shot the suspects hasn’t been charged with a crime. Authorities say they believe he was acting in self-defense under Oklahoma’s “Stand Your Ground” law.​

    Family of dead burglar: Homeowner's gun meant 'unfair fight'
    Posted By -NO AUTHOR- On 04/03/2017 @ 3:49 pm

    Family of dead burglar: Homeowner’s gun meant ‘unfair fight’

    A little history about the death penalty

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    Clarence Darrow defended Nathan Leopold and Richaed Loeb in their murder trial of 14-year-old boy Bobby Franks. (Pacific & Atlantic)
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    90th anniversary of Leopold and Loeb's horrific murder
    BY Mara Bovsun
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Saturday, May 17, 2014, 9:47 PM

    90th anniversary of Leopold and Loeb's horrific murder

    I believe that Leopold and Loeb beating the hangman was the most influential decision ever handed down in death penalty cases. Clarence Darrow’s entire defense was designed to beat the death penalty rather than get them off.

    With their sons facing the hangman, the killers’ rich families called in a legal luminary — Clarence Darrow, 66, famed for saving 100 defendants from execution.

    “Not guilty,” the original plea, would have put them before a jury, not a wise move with a pair of defendants as arrogant and unlikable as Leopold and Loeb.​

    Today’s touchy-feely garbage and psycho-babble gained nationwide acceptance because the Bobby Franks murder case got more publicity than did all of Darrow’s previous 100 death penalty cases combined.

    Darrow, in a stunning move, changed the plea to guilty. Their case, with a parade of alienists, as psychiatrists were known in those days, would be presented to the judge, who would decide on life or death. In a three-day summation, Darrow quoted poetry, history and science in a plea for mercy so eloquent even the judge got misty-eyed. Darrow said that the boys, although not legally insane, were mentally ill and not responsible for their actions. “They killed him as they might kill a spider or a fly.”

    Darrow ended up with two more notches on his saved-from-the-hangman’s belt. The judge gave his clients life plus 99 years.​

    Incidentally, life plus 99 years got lost when Leopold was paroled in 1958. Note that life without parole became another judicial myth after it was attached to a life sentence.

    In addition to Darrow’s gift to today’s “expert witnesses” that case was a blessing to print press that was already dominated by Socialist ideology.

    Finally, abolishing the death penalty is the real reason behind abolishing the Second Amendment. Abolishing the death penalty has been a primary objective for so-called progressives for more than a century, while disarming law-abiding Americans is relatively new.

    See number 25 permalink in this tread for more aspects of the death penalty:


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    Intent was established when they broke in.

    In my discussions with ccw holders I always say "If you are in fear for your life start shooting and KEEP SHOOTING until you feel safe again."
     
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    We Won't Live Free Until the Rulers Live in Fear

    Criminals are enemies of the human race and must be exterminated. We don't have to wait until they kill someone. Lawyers, legislators, judges and the rest of the ruling class turn loose these subhumans just to put the rest of us in our place.
     
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    my father always made it clear.....if a man was worth wounding he was worth killing and once you began to fire...you empty the weapon.....reload and repeat
     
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    if your intent was above board....you knock on the door
     
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