Vegas murders motive, my guess

[OldLady]

there is a much darker side to him that is coming out....a cafe at one of his frequented casinos manager said he treated his girlfriend like crap in front of them, even implied he was paying her to be with him... in front of waiters and mgr....

the $100k he sent to her, wasn't out of love as I thought initially...at least it doesn't appear to be after hearing how he treated her in public....?

was he just using her the past year as a companion so he appeared more normal at the places he was scoping out for his massacres? the casinos with concerts nearby, the cruise ships he was scoping out???

I've always dreaded a terrorist strike on a cruise ship--sitting ducks with nowhere to run and no help for hours. Their security must be pretty good, although it isn't obvious.

before 9/11 when we cruised, they didn't check the luggage nor were there x-ray machines like at an airport.....but after 9/11 every thing tightened up...all kinds of security to prevent a terrorist event....and guns on board....but with the devious, I suppose, where there is a will.....there is a way....

I've only cruised once; it was after 9/11, but if my luggage went through any kind of x-ray they did it when I wasn't there (the luggage arrived at the port before I did). I do remember them checking bags when we returned from a day on land, but I figured that was to make sure we weren't smuggling rum. LOL

 

[leftwinger]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Had Paddock been to Spain recently? Or did the Imam move to the states? I too am keeping the question of conversion in my mind, but he seemed such a loner and with no real social media presence, it's a little hard to imagine a long distance conversion.

Good point, I wasn't thinking directly influenced, but maybe he heard about the movement.

You'd think they'd find some sort of online presence. You'd have to go to great lengths to mask it.

I'm still not anywhere near sure, but it struck me as a possibility when I heard the story about the mosque in Spain.

I'm the same age as Paddock--give or take a couple years--and you would find only USMB and my work email if you were investigating me. I don't even have a cell phone. Maybe he wasn't masking anything--he just didn't use it.
The conversion story makes as much sense as anything else, but I'm afraid that anyone who knows what was going on with him is going to be afraid to speak up. They would be blamed for not saying something, wouldn't they? Or suspected of being an accomplice?

must be the water up here!

no cell and no Facebook or Twitter!

but plenty of USMB!

i have a cell phone but it sits on the kitchen table as a land line or if i Travel i take it for the ability to call triple 'A' while on the road and thats it .

You can enter an address and use free GPS on Apple phone to get turn by turn voice directions.

 

[leftwinger]

Ha, it's amazing how this program format here will copy what you write sometimes, and then when you sometimes close out or change to another topic, come back, well whatta ya know there it is what you wrote still sitting there which is great, but I just wrote a post when all of a sudden the page went bonkers, changed up, and the work was gone. Couldn't find it if I tried. Good grief..

A MOD once showed a button on the edit bar, near the arrows: save draft - delete draft.

 

[Care4all]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Had Paddock been to Spain recently? Or did the Imam move to the states? I too am keeping the question of conversion in my mind, but he seemed such a loner and with no real social media presence, it's a little hard to imagine a long distance conversion.

Good point, I wasn't thinking directly influenced, but maybe he heard about the movement.

You'd think they'd find some sort of online presence. You'd have to go to great lengths to mask it.

I'm still not anywhere near sure, but it struck me as a possibility when I heard the story about the mosque in Spain.

I'm the same age as Paddock--give or take a couple years--and you would find only USMB and my work email if you were investigating me. I don't even have a cell phone. Maybe he wasn't masking anything--he just didn't use it.
The conversion story makes as much sense as anything else, but I'm afraid that anyone who knows what was going on with him is going to be afraid to speak up. They would be blamed for not saying something, wouldn't they? Or suspected of being an accomplice?

must be the water up here!

no cell and no Facebook or Twitter!

but plenty of USMB!

i have a cell phone but it sits on the kitchen table as a land line or if i Travel i take it for the ability to call triple 'A' while on the road and thats it .

You can enter an address and use free GPS on Apple phone to get turn by turn voice directions.

I still use maps and an atlas to get to where I want to go.....

 

[KissMy]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

 

[beagle9]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

. Conservative who shoots up a majority conservative crowd eh ?? Must be indoctrination then, but what was the motivating factors involved ? Was this money man strapped for cash due to his failings in life ??? Was there going to be a Payday maybe, but it all went south when the security cat heard the drilling coming from the room ??

 

[ABikerSailor]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

Considering that he had never registered to vote in either Nevada or Florida, nor had he ever voted, I'd say that it would be pretty hard to nail down his political affiliations.

Especially since he was so private and left a very small digital footprint.

 

[Muhammed]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

I've heard he was a wealthy high stakes gambler.

Perhaps he lost it all and decided that he was going to punish Las Vegas.

 

[K9Buck]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

The video is over 10 minutes in length. Where in the video did Wynn make this claim? Let me guess...cue the crickets.

 

[Muhammed]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Had Paddock been to Spain recently? Or did the Imam move to the states? I too am keeping the question of conversion in my mind, but he seemed such a loner and with no real social media presence, it's a little hard to imagine a long distance conversion.

Good point, I wasn't thinking directly influenced, but maybe he heard about the movement.

You'd think they'd find some sort of online presence. You'd have to go to great lengths to mask it.

I'm still not anywhere near sure, but it struck me as a possibility when I heard the story about the mosque in Spain.

I'm the same age as Paddock--give or take a couple years--and you would find only USMB and my work email if you were investigating me. I don't even have a cell phone. Maybe he wasn't masking anything--he just didn't use it.
The conversion story makes as much sense as anything else, but I'm afraid that anyone who knows what was going on with him is going to be afraid to speak up. They would be blamed for not saying something, wouldn't they? Or suspected of being an accomplice?

must be the water up here!

no cell and no Facebook or Twitter!

but plenty of USMB!

i have a cell phone but it sits on the kitchen table as a land line or if i Travel i take it for the ability to call triple 'A' while on the road and thats it .

You can enter an address and use free GPS on Apple phone to get turn by turn voice directions.

Apple does not know what neighborhoods to avoid.

In many cities it might send you straight into a fucking war zone.

 

[KissMy]

Apple does not know what neighborhoods to avoid.

In many cities it might send you straight into a fucking war zone.

Are you scared???

 

[KissMy]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

The video is over 10 minutes in length. Where in the video did Wynn make this claim? Let me guess...cue the crickets.

7:00

 

[numan]

'
I suppose the most likely explanation for Paddock's actions is that he wished for us to remember his name.

That is an explanation for atrocities that goes back to at least 356 BC when Herostratus burned down the Temple of Artemis in Ephesis [Great is Diana of the Ephesians!]. He just wanted people forever to remember his name as the person who destroyed one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

The name of Herostratus has been preserved in the historical records, but very few people remember him now!
.

 

[Care4all]

i won't use his name anymore, I just call him, the shooter nowadays

 

[Muhammed]

Apple does not know what neighborhoods to avoid.

In many cities it might send you straight into a fucking war zone.

Are you scared???

NO. Just smart.

 

[Muhammed]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

The video is over 10 minutes in length. Where in the video did Wynn make this claim? Let me guess...cue the crickets.

7:00

Why do you have to lie in order to justify your political ideology?

Has it ever once crossed your mind that if you need to lie to yourself in order to justify your political ideology, then it may be much wiser and much easier to change your ideology rather make a gargantuan and futile effort to try to change the truth?

Your lies have never changed the truth before, so what makes you think they will now?

THINK!

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I just play it safe and blame the Jewish bankers.

 

[K9Buck]

Has it ever once crossed your mind that if you need to lie to yourself in order to justify your political ideology, then it may be much wiser and much easier to change your ideology rather make a gargantuan and futile effort to try to change the truth?

Spot on post.

It's easier for him to lie than it is to be honest and admit to himself that what he thought was true is, in fact, not.

 

[K9Buck]

Steve Wynn Said Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock was a Conservative that Never Drank.

You are disingenuous. At 7:05 Wynn says "...their behavior was conservative...". That is not akin to saying Paddock was a "conservative".

 

[KissMy]

'
I suppose the most likely explanation for Paddock's actions is that he wished for us to remember his name.

That is an explanation for atrocities that goes back to at least 356 BC when Herostratus burned down the Temple of Artemis in Ephesis [Great is Diana of the Ephesians!]. He just wanted people forever to remember his name as the person who destroyed one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

The name of Herostratus has been preserved in the historical records, but very few people remember him now!
.

That;s likely why many leaders start wars.