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Oh who to believe, Bentwire, or the practicing physicists.
Hate to throw cold water on yet another dopey Rolling Thunder thread but.........it after all is my duty............
October 1, 2011
Green Energy Industry Staggers
As the Energy Department hustled to get another $4.7 billion in loan guarantees for green tech companies out the door before time ran out and the program ended last week, yet another solar panel manufacturer was wilting in the sun, and the green jobs scam was looking more threadbare than ever. Says the WSJ:
Solar-power equipment manufacturer Stirling Energy Systems Inc. has filed for bankruptcy, adding to a wave of troubles in the solar industry amid soft demand, falling prices and difficulty raising money. [ ] Both [of the companys plants] were sited on public land in California and obtained fast-track construction permits from the Obama administration.
The filing is the latest in a string of U.S. solar company bankruptcies, as soft global demand for solar power, falling prices and a glut of solar panels from Asia have hammered manufacturers.
Surprise, surprise: the American green energy industry faces much the same problems as everyone else in this economy. Solar firms still have to compete with Chinese labor (and massive Chinese government subsidies further enhanced by cheap Chinese currency).
But theres another factor behind the failure of so many Obama administration initiatives in this field. Because alternative energy generation is expensive and inefficient, it requires some combination of subsidies, high energy prices and forced purchases to make these investments pay off.
The Solyndra guarantee and related programs were all developed back in the heady early days of the Obama administrations when delusional greens thought their global agenda was on the verge of being realized. Cap and trade and other aggressive energy policies would artificially jack up energy prices in the US to the point where demand for solar and other alternative energy would grow. The global carbon treaty would provide a permanent source of demand for green energy.
The political assumptions underlying the green investment boomlet turned out to be false. There will be no global carbon regime for the foreseeable future; there will be no cap and trade and no aggressive federal programs to raise energy prices during the deepest recession since World War Two.
Perhaps even worse from the green point of view, a cascade of discoveries and technological advances has dramatically increased the supplies of oil and gas in the western hemisphere including huge new domestic energy supplies in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and upstate New York. These discoveries are devastating to the politics of the environmental movement.
Green Energy Industry Staggers | Via Meadia
Like Ive been saying...........these ongoing debates about ice and temperatures is an exercise akin to group navel contemplation. The posts I throw up are the only posts which bring an objective truth..............which obstensibly(sic) means.......... Im winning.
Its 2011..........its time for everybody to wake up and smell the maple nut crunch. Zero money + zero political will = climate change debate is a debate nobody cares about except those who's personal lives are in need of a beer and a plan.
Hate to throw cold water on yet another dopey Rolling Thunder thread but.........it after all is my duty............
October 1, 2011
Green Energy Industry Staggers
As the Energy Department hustled to get another $4.7 billion in loan guarantees for green tech companies out the door before time ran out and the program ended last week, yet another solar panel manufacturer was wilting in the sun, and the green jobs scam was looking more threadbare than ever. Says the WSJ:
Solar-power equipment manufacturer Stirling Energy Systems Inc. has filed for bankruptcy, adding to a wave of troubles in the solar industry amid soft demand, falling prices and difficulty raising money. [ ] Both [of the companys plants] were sited on public land in California and obtained fast-track construction permits from the Obama administration.
The filing is the latest in a string of U.S. solar company bankruptcies, as soft global demand for solar power, falling prices and a glut of solar panels from Asia have hammered manufacturers.
Surprise, surprise: the American green energy industry faces much the same problems as everyone else in this economy. Solar firms still have to compete with Chinese labor (and massive Chinese government subsidies further enhanced by cheap Chinese currency).
But theres another factor behind the failure of so many Obama administration initiatives in this field. Because alternative energy generation is expensive and inefficient, it requires some combination of subsidies, high energy prices and forced purchases to make these investments pay off.
The Solyndra guarantee and related programs were all developed back in the heady early days of the Obama administrations when delusional greens thought their global agenda was on the verge of being realized. Cap and trade and other aggressive energy policies would artificially jack up energy prices in the US to the point where demand for solar and other alternative energy would grow. The global carbon treaty would provide a permanent source of demand for green energy.
The political assumptions underlying the green investment boomlet turned out to be false. There will be no global carbon regime for the foreseeable future; there will be no cap and trade and no aggressive federal programs to raise energy prices during the deepest recession since World War Two.
Perhaps even worse from the green point of view, a cascade of discoveries and technological advances has dramatically increased the supplies of oil and gas in the western hemisphere including huge new domestic energy supplies in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and upstate New York. These discoveries are devastating to the politics of the environmental movement.
Green Energy Industry Staggers | Via Meadia
Like Ive been saying...........these ongoing debates about ice and temperatures is an exercise akin to group navel contemplation. The posts I throw up are the only posts which bring an objective truth..............which obstensibly(sic) means.......... Im winning.
Its 2011..........its time for everybody to wake up and smell the maple nut crunch. Zero money + zero political will = climate change debate is a debate nobody cares about except those who's personal lives are in need of a beer and a plan.
I guess it's not too surprising that a clueless retard like you, kookster, would insert some garbage pro-oil opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal concerning global solar markets and green energy into a thread whose topic is the melting of the Himalayan glaciers due to anthropogenic global warming, and think it has some significance or relevance. You poor, poor retard, you're just plain too stupid to get it. The climate changes the world is going through will continue to occur and have real world consequences entirely independent from mankind's transient economic market fluctuations. Continuing with a business as usual course with fossil fuels and ever increasing CO2 emissions is a path to world destruction. We will either make the transition to non polluting renewable energy sources or we will kill ourselves and the planet by being too stupid collectively to both face the reality of the mistakes we've made and to do better.
You, as usual, have no idea what is going on.
Nor do the stooges at the WSJ....
World Renewable Energy Demand To Surge, Costs To Fall, Says UN Report
Japan To Ditch More Nuclear Power And Develop Renewables Instead
China Increases Renewable Energy Goals, Again
Renewables are the Worlds Fastest-Growing Energy Source
September 20, 2011
Hate to throw cold water on yet another dopey Rolling Thunder thread but.........it after all is my duty............
October 1, 2011
Green Energy Industry Staggers
As the Energy Department hustled to get another $4.7 billion in loan guarantees for green tech companies out the door before time ran out and the program ended last week, yet another solar panel manufacturer was wilting in the sun, and the green jobs scam was looking more threadbare than ever. Says the WSJ:
Solar-power equipment manufacturer Stirling Energy Systems Inc. has filed for bankruptcy, adding to a wave of troubles in the solar industry amid soft demand, falling prices and difficulty raising money. [ ] Both [of the companys plants] were sited on public land in California and obtained fast-track construction permits from the Obama administration.
The filing is the latest in a string of U.S. solar company bankruptcies, as soft global demand for solar power, falling prices and a glut of solar panels from Asia have hammered manufacturers.
Surprise, surprise: the American green energy industry faces much the same problems as everyone else in this economy. Solar firms still have to compete with Chinese labor (and massive Chinese government subsidies further enhanced by cheap Chinese currency).
But theres another factor behind the failure of so many Obama administration initiatives in this field. Because alternative energy generation is expensive and inefficient, it requires some combination of subsidies, high energy prices and forced purchases to make these investments pay off.
The Solyndra guarantee and related programs were all developed back in the heady early days of the Obama administrations when delusional greens thought their global agenda was on the verge of being realized. Cap and trade and other aggressive energy policies would artificially jack up energy prices in the US to the point where demand for solar and other alternative energy would grow. The global carbon treaty would provide a permanent source of demand for green energy.
The political assumptions underlying the green investment boomlet turned out to be false. There will be no global carbon regime for the foreseeable future; there will be no cap and trade and no aggressive federal programs to raise energy prices during the deepest recession since World War Two.
Perhaps even worse from the green point of view, a cascade of discoveries and technological advances has dramatically increased the supplies of oil and gas in the western hemisphere including huge new domestic energy supplies in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and upstate New York. These discoveries are devastating to the politics of the environmental movement.
Green Energy Industry Staggers | Via Meadia
Like Ive been saying...........these ongoing debates about ice and temperatures is an exercise akin to group navel contemplation. The posts I throw up are the only posts which bring an objective truth..............which obstensibly(sic) means.......... Im winning.
Its 2011..........its time for everybody to wake up and smell the maple nut crunch. Zero money + zero political will = climate change debate is a debate nobody cares about except those who's personal lives are in need of a beer and a plan.
I guess it's not too surprising that a clueless retard like you, kookster, would insert some garbage pro-oil opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal concerning global solar markets and green energy into a thread whose topic is the melting of the Himalayan glaciers due to anthropogenic global warming, and think it has some significance or relevance. You poor, poor retard, you're just plain too stupid to get it. The climate changes the world is going through will continue to occur and have real world consequences entirely independent from mankind's transient economic market fluctuations. Continuing with a business as usual course with fossil fuels and ever increasing CO2 emissions is a path to world destruction. We will either make the transition to non polluting renewable energy sources or we will kill ourselves and the planet by being too stupid collectively to both face the reality of the mistakes we've made and to do better.
You, as usual, have no idea what is going on.
Nor do the stooges at the WSJ....
World Renewable Energy Demand To Surge, Costs To Fall, Says UN Report
Japan To Ditch More Nuclear Power And Develop Renewables Instead
China Increases Renewable Energy Goals, Again
Renewables are the Worlds Fastest-Growing Energy Source
September 20, 2011
Its good to be the clueless retard king!!!
as always, the problem is attribution. the global temp has gone up less than 1K in the last 100+ years, much of that before significant manmade CO2 rise. glaciers and ice packs have shrunk and grown many times in the past according to their own schedule. warmers try to lay all the blame at the feet of mankind for burning fossil fuels but they are far from proving even the CO2 contribution with any certainty, and are even less certain of the other factors both known and unknown. I am all for continued study but I am against crippling our economy and cutting the quality of life in the hope that CO2 is the ultimate climate control knob, and more importantly, that we can control it in any meaningful way.
Oh, looky here, trolling blunder giving us more alarmist horse crap, how original, as usual the truth is quite different, not that a incompetent twit like blunder would know the difference
As usual, the IPCC is full of shit.
Himalayan glaciers advancing, despite global warming’
Charu Sudan Kasturi, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, January 25, 2011 Email to Author
First Published: 25/1/2011
Several glaciers in the greater Himalayas are either advancing or are stable, American and German researchers have found, corroborating India's stand against a controversial prediction by the UN's climate change agency that the glaciers would vanish by 2030. More than 50% of the glaciers in the Karakoram region of the northwest Himalayas are stable or are advancing, the scientists have reported in this week's Nature Geoscience journal.
Dirk Scherler and Manfred Strecker from Potsdam University, Germany and Bodo Bookhagen from the University of California Santa Barbara used remoter sensing images to track frontal changes and surface velocities of glaciers in the greater Himalaya between 2000 and 2008.
They found wide variations in the response of glaciers in the different parts of the Himalayas to climate change.
The research paper argues that the variations are a result of differences in the debris cover enjoyed by different glaciers – a factor that has so far been neglected while studying the impact of climate change on glaciers.
The scientists found that while more than 65% of all Himalayan glaciers studied were retreating, the glaciers in the Tibetan plateau, where debris cover is largely absent, are retreating fastest.
Glaciers in the central Himalaya region are relatively better covered by debris and typically have stable fronts, the scientists argued.
But possibly the most surprising finding of the research relates to the Karakoram region, where more than half the glaciers are stable or are even advancing.
The findings support India's opposition to claims by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – the UN's climate change agency -- in 2008 of the Himalayan glaciers disappearing.
Indian scientists had countered the IPCC claims by presenting their own data that suggested that any impact of climate change on the Himalayan glaciers was far more subtle and complicated than the IPCC had suggested.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Himal...espite-global-warming/H1-Article1-654581.aspx
as always, the problem is attribution. the global temp has gone up less than 1K in the last 100+ years, much of that before significant manmade CO2 rise. glaciers and ice packs have shrunk and grown many times in the past according to their own schedule. warmers try to lay all the blame at the feet of mankind for burning fossil fuels but they are far from proving even the CO2 contribution with any certainty, and are even less certain of the other factors both known and unknown. I am all for continued study but I am against crippling our economy and cutting the quality of life in the hope that CO2 is the ultimate climate control knob, and more importantly, that we can control it in any meaningful way.
I totally agree. The glaciers on Mt. Rainier are not melting. The ocean currents determine much of the climate. We on the west coast are in for another La Nina this year which means colder than normal.
If man burning fossil fuels has caused global warming, then what caused the end of the ice age thousands of years ago when there was no "man" and no burning of fossil fuels. Wouldn't it stand to reason that man is NOT the cause of this. If we could control the climate, well I think we are doing a damn poor job of it. I want hot summers and cold winters, thank you, and I got cold winter, but a cold summer, too. If humans can control climate, what took them so long to bring rain to Texas?
NOAA La Niña Page
once a liar allways(sic) a liar
Anthropogenic global warming is melting the world's glaciers at increasing rates. This poses some grave dangers to the vast populations around the world who are dependent on glacial melt water feeding into the river systems as a supply of water for drinking and agriculture in the dry summer months. The glaciers of the Himalayas are mostly shrinking rapidly and these glaciers are the source of water for hundreds of millions of people in India and China. Some mountaineer photographers recently took current photos of many glaciers from the same spots that photos were taken many decades ago, showing the changes in the ice very clearly. Take a look.
Rivers of ice: Vanishing glaciers
Stunning images from high in the Himalayas - showing the extent by which many glaciers have shrunk in the past 80 years or so - have gone on display at the Royal Geographical Society in central London.
10 October 2011
once a liar allways(sic) a liar
And that sums you up perfectly.
once a liar allways(sic) a liar
And that sums you up perfectly.
Post a single lie I've ever uttered then. I made the same challenge to olfraud over a year ago and the MENSA BOY hasn't been able to post one.
the IPCC has been lying through their ass!
