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    ok this is just stupid.....a US offical says on the news a minute ago.....

    "We are very concerned how they will react to this?"

    yea they might attack us!
     
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    Duh! Who is the bright light?
     
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    if we had fought fair in the revolutionary war we would have lost :spank3:
     
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    can we keep the media away from the military like we did in ww2? they are nothing but problems in a war like this.


    http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2005/oct/20/102007032.html


    Afghans Outraged Over Alleged Desecration
    By DANIEL COONEY
    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -

    Islamic clerics expressed outrage Thursday at television footage that purportedly shows U.S. soldiers burning the bodies of two dead Taliban fighters to taunt other militants and warned of a possible violent anti-American backlash.

    President Hamid Karzai condemned the alleged desecration and ordered an inquiry. The operational commander of the U.S. military in Afghanistan, which launched its own criminal probe, said the alleged act, if true, was "repugnant."

    Worried about the potential for anti-American feelings over the incident, the State Department said it instructed U.S. embassies around the globe to tell local governments that the reported abuse did not reflect American values.

    Cremating bodies is banned under Islam, and one Muslim leader in Afghanistan compared the video to photographs of U.S. troops abusing prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

    "Abu Ghraib ruined the reputation of the Americans in Iraq and to me this is even worse," said Faiz Mohammed, a top cleric in northern Kunduz province. "This is against Islam. Afghans will be shocked by this news. It is so humiliating. There will be very, very dangerous consequences from this."

    Anger also was evident in the streets.

    "If they continue to carry out such actions against us, our people will change their policy and react with the same policy against them," said Mehrajuddin, a resident of Kabul, who like many Afghans uses only one name.

    Another man in the capital, Zahidullah, said the reported abuse was like atrocities committed by Soviet troops, who were driven out of Afghanistan in 1989 after a decade of occupation. He warned that the same could happen to American forces.

    "Their future will be like the Russians," Zahidullah said.

    In Washington, the U.S. government also condemned the alleged incident.

    The allegation was "very serious" and "very troubling," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. His comment came after the department said U.S. embassies had been told to inform foreigners that abuse of remains "is not reflective of our values."

    The report also generated congressional debate with Senate Republicans saying the alleged U.S. troop participation goes to the heart of why Congress must pass legislation to standardize techniques used in the detention, interrogation and prosecution of detainees in the war on terrorism.

    "This is a very, very serious problem," said Sen. John Warner, R-Va., and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He said the situation raises a question that must be answered: "What was the command and control that allowed this situation to happen?"

    The move suggested U.S. worries about an anti-American uproar like Afghan riots in May that erupted after Newsweek said U.S. soldiers at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility desecrated Islam's holy book, the Quran. Newsweek later retracted the story.

    The alleged body burning comes as the U.S. military is struggling to bolster its image in Afghanistan amid charges by Karzai of heavy-handed tactics in fighting the Taliban.

    Australia's SBS television network broadcast the video purportedly showing soldiers burning the bodies of two suspected Taliban fighters in hills outside Gonbaz village in the southern Shah Wali Kot district - an area plagued by Taliban activity and considered by the local security forces as too dangerous to venture into unless accompanied by U.S. troops.

    Viewers of the footage saw a group of about five troops in light-colored military fatigues, which did not have any distinguishing marks, standing near to a bonfire in which two bodies were laid side by side. The flames obscured the view of the bodies, making it impossible to tell if the remains were of Taliban fighters.

    The network said the video was taken by a freelance journalist, Stephen Dupont. Dupont, who told The Associated Press that he was embedded with the Army's 173rd Airborne Brigade, said the burnings happened Oct. 1.

    He told SBS that soldiers in a U.S. Army psychological operations unit later broadcast taunting messages targeting the village, which was believed to be harboring Taliban fighters.

    "They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them. ... That's the only way they can find them," Dupont said.

    The video did not show those messages being broadcast, although it showed some military vehicles fitted with speakers and playing loud music.

    According to a transcript released by SBS, the messages called the Taliban "cowardly dogs."

    "You are too scared to come down and retrieve their bodies," said one message, according to the transcript.

    Dupont told the AP the messages were broadcast in the local dialect but were translated into English for him by members of the Army unit. He declined to provide further information.

    The U.S. military said the Army Criminal Investigation Command was looking into the matter.

    "This alleged action is repugnant to our common values," Maj. Gen. Jason Kamiya said from the U.S. base at Bagram. "This command takes all allegations of misconduct or inappropriate behavior seriously and has directed an investigation into circumstances surrounding this allegation."

    A U.S. military spokeswoman, Sgt. Marina Evans, said investigators would check whether the purported act violated the Geneva Convention, which says the dead must be "honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged."

    The Afghan Defense Ministry launched its own investigation, Karzai's spokesman, Karim Rahimi, said.

    "We strongly condemn any disrespect to human bodies regardless of whether they are those of enemies or friends," he told the AP.

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    you know i find it amazing that they comdemn the burning of bodies and say its a againest their religion but its ok for them to basically vaporize people with planes and burn everyone else in the building.
     
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    And don't forget cutting off people's heads while they are still alive and cutting out the innards of people and hanging the desecrated bodies up on poles for all to see.

    I also heard Dupont (the Australian who made the video) say on TV that the soldiers were up in the mountains where there was no place to bury the bodies. They told him they burned the bodies because they were afraid of contamination from the dead bodies.
     
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    That was my first thought.
     
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    But they are killing infidels when they do that
     
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    Sounds like a "story" to me.

    I think the tactic of threatening to burn the bodies to get some taliban out of hiding "might" be a good idea. I think they need to develope tactics as they go, and I fully support that.

    Now, everyone in the public eye who can capitalize on this will. Its the same with everything in the public eye. ANYTHING anyone says in public is designed SOLELY to bolster their own posistion and has nothing to do with a persons values, the facts, what they truly believe or the truth. EVERYBODY under the scrutiny of the public eye is subject to "perceptions" and the opinions of the "masses"

    As the media has become larger and more widespread, the more deceptive the entire medium becomes.
     
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    NEW YORK TIMES, 1945 (satire)


    Concerns are rising over American brutality toward's their Japanese counterparts. According to reports, American soldiers are employing use of a tool known as a "flame-thrower", which burns Japanese soldiers alive.

    "Use of this tool is absolutely unacceptable." said Suzuki Toyota, a Japanese official, in a prepared statement. "Burning soldiers alive goes against our religion. We demand that this practice be halted and these weapons destroyed."

    Upon recieving word of the controversy, the Truman Administration went into a panic. "I know the Japanese had the dubious habit of herding American POWs into air-raid shelters and burning them alive, but we are Americans, we are supposed to be better than that." said an anonymous administration official.

    This disturbing news of yet another American Atrocity comes just off the heels of a humiliating American defeat on the island of Hondamitsubishi, where 3000 Japanese defenders died but an entire 18 US Marines were killed, forcing a retreat. One prominant senator called the loss "apalling" and wondered if "this 'World War' is worth the horrendous bloodshed inflicted upon American families. This is not the way to victory. We must win their hearts and minds, which is the why National Shinto Act was such an important success." he said, refering to an act which earlier this year made Shinto the official religion of America, with the goal of making the Japanese slaughter Americans with less abandon."
     
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