Unpleasant Facts about Race

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    For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

    There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

    Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

    Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

    But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

    Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

    And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

    Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.
     
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    To the contrary, unpleasant "PROPAGANDA' about Race.

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    I always figured obama did away with the space program cuz it was to white.
     
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    Within reason I don’t care what a black child’s IQ is relative to anyone else’s, black or otherwise. But here is something I believe is true. If every black child headed off to school on day one knowing they are expected to behave in class, pay attention to what the teacher is saying, etc. because they are there to learn and educate themselves, the results would be much different and better for them and their futures. But that influence has to come from home, from family a child knows and trusts, but it’s not happening to any degree needed to make a difference and that’s too bad because until it does subsequent generations are doomed to follow their predecessors. And the cycle will just keep rolling along...
     
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    Hitler agreed with you and did many of those same types of studies
     
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    Applies to poor white children too
     
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    Go read a little more and post an argument against your post. When your understanding of the issue reaches the informed point we'll have a discussion. Until then remember the Idiocracy has protected you.
     
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    OP should read about the Flynn effect:

    The Flynn Effect: A Meta-analysis
    The Flynn Effect within Subgroups in the U.S.: Gender, Race, Income, Education, and Urbanization Differences in the NLSY-Children Data
    The Flynn Effect and IQ Disparities Among Races, Ethnicities, and Nations: Are There Common Links?

    Mainly in order to appreciate the problems with appealing to IQ test results as a measure of "innate" intelligence as a consequence of strictly biological differences between populations. Also because the data in the OP is decades out of date.
     
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    Theres nothing inherently wrong with race based studies however they should euthanize the ones that take advantage of your ignorance and stupidity. Why is it always the dumbest whites that try to prove Blacks are dumb? I mean it never fails. :rolleyes:

    Sub-Saharan African Immigrants in U.S. More Educated Than Those in Top EU Countries

    "Sub-Saharan immigrants in the United States are also more highly educated than U.S. native-born population"
     
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