Universal background checks... really?

[M14 Shooter]

The police interview you before you get a gun over there? Sounds like a good idea

Too bad for the constitution - right?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

All our rights have limitations. You think you can just marry 10 year old girls and sacrifice bald eagles because of freedom of religion. ?

Lol
Quit falling down the well...
Marring 10-year-old girls is illegal and not an right, sacrificing bold eagles is illegal and not a right.

Gun Control is never been about guns, it’s always been about control.

You can't pick and choose.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

 

[M14 Shooter]

All our rights have limitations.

Yeah... and?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

How about this. You must show good reason why the cops can't come in your house.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

How about this. You must show good reason why the cops can't come in your house.

You must show good reason to not testify against yourself.
You must show good reason to vote.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

How about this. You must show good reason why the cops can't come in your house.

You must show good reason to not testify against yourself.
You must show good reason to vote.

Anti-gunners have started the trend of proving why you need a right

 

[M14 Shooter]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

How about this. You must show good reason why the cops can't come in your house.

You must show good reason to not testify against yourself.
You must show good reason to vote.

Anti-gunners have started the trend of proving you need a right

It takes a special breed of stupid to demand that the exercise of your rights be placed at the discretion of the state.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

All our rights have limitations. You think you can just marry 10 year old girls and sacrifice bald eagles because of freedom of religion. ?

Lol
Quit falling down the well...
Marring 10-year-old girls is illegal and not an right, sacrificing bold eagles is illegal and not a right.

Gun Control is never been about guns, it’s always been about control.

You can't pick and choose.

This conversation is stupid.

Though it mainly stems from thinking of rights as a permission rather than inherent to self-owning agents, and demonstrable through individual autonomy. Your rights only end where those of another self-owning agent begins.

You can't marry a 10-year-old, not because the Government says you can't, but because a 10-year-old can't consent, due to not being developed enough to understand what they're consenting to. This would make the action unethical.

Sacrificing a Bald Eagle is not comparable in any way, much like marrying a 10-year-old, to owning a fire arm. Sacrificing a Bald Eagle is not unethical, as they are not self-owning agents. Making it illegal does not make it wrong.

Neither of these are comparable to owning a firearm, as owning a firearm is passive. Owning property is not unethical. Preventing someone from owning a firearm or stealing it, however, is an active position which infringes on the property rights of another individual.

Note: I only quoted Daryl's pointless non-argument of a post because I didn't feel like looking for Timmy's post, it just isn't worth the effort.

 

[2aguy]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

And nothing you just proposed would have stopped any of these mass shootings, or stop any criminal....

What else do you have...anything that would actually do anything...?

My plan works, you should get on board...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

 

[2aguy]

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No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

You Moon Bats are crazy. You Moon Bats are the stupid mental cases demanding to infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms.

By the way, Moon Bat here are some stats about those "assault weapons" that you ding bats are so scared of. Out of almost 11K shooting in 2017 only 400 people were killed with rifles. "Assault weapons" are a smaller subset of rifles. Statistically insignificant.

Assault weapons are not the problem. You stupid Moon Bats are the problem

Thanks, great way to show that...

 

[2aguy]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Wrong.....Europe is behind the U.S. in the destruction of their nuclear family.....that is changing, and you can see the change in the violence among their young males now........

We already have all the restrictions we need to stop gun crime.....

1) You can't use a gun to murder people.

2) You can't buy, own, or carry a gun if you are a felon.

Do either of the above and you can already be arrested and put in jail..

What is our actual problem? Democrat judges, politicians and prosecutors keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of prison, and out on bail......they are the ones doing 99% of the gun murder in this country...

Can you tell us why democrat judges keep letting repeat gun offenders out on bail, and give them short prison sentences for gun crimes?

 

[2aguy]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

How many of those victims were killed with legally obtained weapons?

All of Lanza’s weapons were legally bought? Right?

Nope....he murdered his mother to get the guns.....

 

[2aguy]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

We can do just that! Every single thing you just posted is workable, just as soon as you repeal the Second Amendment. Why don't you get right on that project?

It can be done. I'd stand behind it.

Go right ahead! The vast majority of Americans disagree with you. Your chances of repealing the 2nd are nil and none!

The vast majority of Americans approve of background checks
Including gun owners

Yes...because you lie to them about what that actually entails...first, most don't know we already have background checks, and second, they don't understand the real agenda is to get gun registration...to do that anti-gunners want universal background checks....which do nothing to stop mass shooters or criminals...but gun registration is the goal.

 

[2aguy]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

You can't name any common sense gun regulations....all you put out are gun laws meant to restrict gun access for law abiding gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

That actually is totally untrue.
It is actually much easier to buy firearms in all other countries compared to the US, except maybe Japan.
The US has over 10,000 firearms laws, and most are complex federal laws, like it being illegal to even drive by a school with a firearm in the trunk of your car.
In other countries you may have to register or license, but that is much less complex than the finger printing and background check you have to do in the US.
All you have to do in the UK, France, Germany, etc., is to join a club and you then are guaranteed approval.
In places like Switzerland and Israel, the government is giving out guns for free, and almost mandating people be armed.

That is the opposite of what I've read from almost every other source. Where are you getting this information? I'd be real interested in a link.

And how often is the generally perceived view wrong when the media wants it to be wrong, like Iraq having WMD?
The reality is that full auto firearms were banned in 1934 by the National Firearms Act, and the problem with that is it is illegal. Regardless of whether or not firearms are an individual right, there can be no doubt the 2nd amendment prohibited any and all federal jurisdiction. All things that can be done by the states, should be done by the states, and not federal level.
Then the 1968 and 1993 federal acts made firearms far more difficult than in most countries.
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits persons under eighteen years of age, convicted criminals, the mentally disabled, dishonorably discharged military personnel, and others from purchasing firearms. In 1993, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act mandated background checks for all unlicensed persons purchasing a firearm from a federally authorized dealer.
...}
How do U.S. gun laws compare to other countries?
The only way to really get a feel for US gun laws is to peruse them yourself, or else you are just getting opinion.
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
But the myths are widespread and false. For example, one is that guns are not tracked, and the reality is they are, just by dealers, not federal agents. Another is that it is easy to bypass background checks at gun shows or over the internet, and both of those are just lies. There has not be a gun show allowing sales without background checks for over 20 years, and all internet sales and shipments are only through licensed dealers. And the reality is that everyone would prefer to always do background checks, but the FBI won't let them. They ONLY allow licensed dealers conduct background checks, and licensed dealers charge $20 or more to conduct one.
But other countries are much easier than they pretend.
For example, in 1996 Australia claimed to ban all semi auto firearms, and that is not true.
They only had 15% compliance with a buy back, so that mean 85% of the now illegal firearms are still out there in Australia, and simply no one cares. It was all just for show. The violence went down without any real reduction in semi auto firearms.
To give you an example of the complexity of US gun law, here is a link to the Federal Firearms Act of 1968.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-82/pdf/STATUTE-82-Pg1213-2.pdf
Each of the 24 pages is full of restrictions and limitations, most of which do not make any real sense.
In comparison, I have relatives in Europe, who tell me that gun ownership is trivial, and all they have to do is talk to the local police station, or join some sort of gun club.

The police interview you before you get a gun over there? Sounds like a good idea

The Pulse Night Club shooter had 3 separate interviews with trained FBI interrogators, a complete FBI background check, and an undercover approach by an FBI agent...he also had a complete background check for his job, and a background check was done for each gun he purchased..


How did that work out...genius?

 

[2aguy]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

This violates the constitution in the same way as a requirement to show a good reason to have an abortion.

How about this. You must show good reason why the cops can't come in your house.

You must show good reason to not testify against yourself.
You must show good reason to vote.

The democrats tried the one for voting, even required a test for Blacks to vote and had Poll Taxes to charge blacks to vote.....they were told they had to stop ...

 

[2aguy]

why should gun shops have to go thru back ground checks for buyers and those selling at gun shows not have to do the same, with whom they are selling to?

It makes the Gun Shops background requirements useless, unless background checks are universal, imo.

How many times do you have to be told.....all gun sellers at gun shows have to do background checks.

Private property owners can sell their private property without a background check, they can do that in the parking lot, across the street or at a local Denny's.....

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Do you understand that criminals do not buy their guns at gun shows or from private sellers?

 

[2aguy]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

All our rights have limitations. You think you can just marry 10 year old girls and sacrifice bald eagles because of freedom of religion. ?

Yes.....you can't use a gun to commit a crime....and you can't buy, own or carry a gun if you are a felon...do either one and you can already be arrested under existing law. That is a limitation on the Right, and all we need to stop gun crime.

Can you explain why democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat gun offenders out of prison, and jail?

 

[2aguy]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

That actually is totally untrue.
It is actually much easier to buy firearms in all other countries compared to the US, except maybe Japan.
The US has over 10,000 firearms laws, and most are complex federal laws, like it being illegal to even drive by a school with a firearm in the trunk of your car.
In other countries you may have to register or license, but that is much less complex than the finger printing and background check you have to do in the US.
All you have to do in the UK, France, Germany, etc., is to join a club and you then are guaranteed approval.
In places like Switzerland and Israel, the government is giving out guns for free, and almost mandating people be armed.

That is the opposite of what I've read from almost every other source. Where are you getting this information? I'd be real interested in a link.

This from Newsweek:


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Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

Self defense against criminals and the government is the reason.....enshrined in the 2nd Amendment.