United States Has The Best Healthcare in the World

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    So we have been told that the United States is listed at number 37 in world ranking for health care. Here is why only fools and America-bashers attribute any significance to this rating: WHO/UN states that their data “is hampered by the weakness of routine information systems and insufficient attention to research” and when they couldn’t find data, they “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” WHO accepts whatever governments tell them, including reputable regimes such as Castro’s Cuba.
    WHO | Message from the Director-General

    The oh-so-political WHO/UN is not thrilled with governments like the US, as they have determined that we do not have a progressive-enough tax system. This is one of the criteria for judging our healthcare.
    WHO, “World Health Organization Assesses
    theWorld’sHealth Systems,” press release, undated,
    http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre
    /press_release/en/index.html.


    Here are the rating categories:
    1. Health Level: 25 percent
    2. Health Distribution: 25 percent
    3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent
    4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent
    5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

    After an intensive survey of over 1000 respondents, half of whom were members of UN staff, they designed a measurement of healthcare in which 62.5% of the criteria of their healthcare study on some type of “equality!”
    WHO | The world health report 2000 - Health systems: improving performance

    Note that the United States suffers in the WHO/UN healthcare ratings due to a definition of fairness which reads: “the smallest feasible differences between individuals and groups.” Does that mean that a poor nation that does not have our level of expensive or experimental treatment, and therefore lets all suffers die, would have a higher rating than the US?

    This is not to imply that only the rich in America can get the ‘expensive’ treatment, since there are many options such as a)getting a loan, b) asking a family member or a charity for help, c) find a doctor, hospital, or drug company willing to work at a reduced rate. All are common.

    And because we have rich people who pay a great deal for the best healthcare, enabling research and development, the end result is that this brings costs down and makes treatment affordable for everyone, even in socialist countries.

    How to judge US healthcare?
    life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homocides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

    “One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

    In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
    And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels."
    Dave Petno » Canadian Doctor Describes Canadian Socialized Medicine
     
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    I've read about the stats that indicate that Ethiopia is tops in medicine and Americans are dropping dead in the streets for lack of decent health care that the stats are not particularly rigged, but do not account for various factors of health like guns accidents, car accidents, too fatty diets and obesity.

    Many of these conditions don't hamper those who have no money, no food and no weapons. They do, however, affect those that do.

    The American incidence of Cancers of all descriptions are higher than elsewhere. The survivability of Cancer in the USA is higher than elsewhere once it's been detected. We may assume either that it is not detected as well elsewhere or that, once detected, the victims are put on a short list of those headed for Heaven.

    I am not very familiar with the the statistical tracking of illness world wide, but I am familiar with the statistical gathering of information in other disciplines and it gives me just enough doubt to wonder about the accuracy of the data brought forth here.
     
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    SO what happened? what went WRONG? Why didn't this happen here PC, as you say it should have....?
     
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    Lordy, lordy, what fools you people are! Do you actually think that the Cato Institute has any credibility with anybody other than the most braindead of Conservatives?

    The Japanese, Germans, French, and even Costa Ricans have a much better average life span than we do here in the US. All have far lower infant mortality. All spend far less on their health care system, and cover all citizens, which we do not.

    So we are paying a Cadillac price and getting a Yugo. And you people are perfectly happy with that.

    And then there is the matter of hundreds of thousands of American families going bankrupt every year because of medical bills. And none doing so in the rest of the industrial nations. Not in even little Costa Rica, most definately not an industrial nation.
     
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    Funny thing about stats (thus why I usually don't respond to them ;)) they can easily be interpreted and altered. Personally, I don't think there is such a thing as "the best health care in the world" ... just the most preferred system, and each person should be allowed to move to the country with their preferred health care system instead of trying to force what they think is best on an entire country.
     
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    Cato supports Al Gore ... :eusa_whistle:
     
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    this might work if the other countries didn't have deaths by accidents also.
    We also of a higher infant death rate than some of those countries.
    I say fail on this one PC.
     
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    Sure, Kitten, sure.

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb111/hb111-43.pdf

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    ● repeal Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency standards along with
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    the post has a lot of pitting the rich against the poor in it too PC....I thought you on the right say it is the liberals who always bring up the ''classes'' of people, yet it seems to be the opposite, you all bring it up all the time???

    so, is health care in the usa separated by the haves and have nots as you say? one gets it and the other has to beg, borrow, and plead....as you stated?
     
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    If you are lucky, as I have been, the company you work for supplies you with one of the Cadilac plans at little or no cost. However, that ends the day that you are laid off. And the Cobra package is really only available if you have no mortgage and a very low rent. And if you really get hurt or sick while you are laid off, without any coverage, you are bankrupt.

    You lose your home, you now have a pre-existing condition, and life gets real tough. In the other industrial nations, this is not the case. So PC is really making a very good case for the "Socialism" she so despises.
     

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