Unions, Strikes, and My Entry Into Local Politics

Cecilie1200

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My city, Tucson, has experienced a 42-day strike of the bus drivers and mechanics for the city bus line, Sun Tran. The strike "coincidentally" started the same day as classes resumed in Tucson Unified School District, the largest school district in the state of Arizona. Also "coincidentally", the strike coincided with the arguably most unpleasant month of the year here, August, when there are not only 110-degree highs during the day, but also higher-than-normal humidity due to the monsoons passing through the area.

Tucson is not like cities such as New York and Chicago, where public transit is the norm for most residents. Our city is physically quite large and spread-out, and the vast majority of people here own cars and drive themselves everywhere. Consequently, virtually the only people who use the bus system are those who can't drive, ie. the poor, the elderly, and the handicapped. Oh, and students. The school districts have long found it more cost-effective to provide student bus passes to middle- and high-schoolers who live outside the area of the school they attend than to send a school bus for them if there are not other students living in the same area. And, of course, the U of A is virtually the only place in the city where resident parking is basically non-existent and prohibitively expensive, so most students ride buses when they leave campus.

For a month and a half, the city has watched the working poor losing their jobs due to the inability to get to work without the buses; senior citizens and people in wheelchairs waiting at bus stops for an hour or more in the blistering desert heat; the striking Teamsters picketing the downtown transit center being themselves picketed by angry passengers.

Sun Tran has worked hard to alleviate the inconvenience to passengers as much as possible, drafting salaried employees to drive buses on a limited weekday strike schedule, reimbursing monthly pass holders for 42 days worth of fares (now that we know exactly how many days NEED to be reimbursed), and even sending employees out in cars to deliver cold bottled water to passengers waiting at stops.

The drivers, by contrast, have done an execrable job of public relations, insisting ludicrously that the issues behind the strike are NOT caps on salaries and raises, but health and safety, despite the fact that the news outlets have been reporting the details of the various offers and counteroffers, and it's telling that nearly all the negotiation has been on the subject of salary and raises, not safety. Meanwhile, many of the drivers have gone public with expressions of disdain and contempt for the concerns of their passengers, stating things like "It's not our responsibility to make sure you get to work" (begging the question of what they think their job description and purpose actually IS).

I say all that to say this: the federal government and every state government all recognize that some jobs are simply too essential to the function of society to allow those who do them to shut down and hold society hostage via strikes, and therefore legally bar those jobs from going on strike. Federal law prohibits airline, railroad, dockworkers, and postal workers from going on strike as part of contract negotiations. Every state has laws prohibiting police and firefighters from going on strike, and many states also have laws prohibiting teachers from doing so.

Bearing all this in mind, I have decided that my new project in life is to lobby the Arizona State Legislature to pass a law declaring mass transit to be an essential public service. Wouldn't get rid of the Teamsters - as much as I wish it would, the bastards - or prevent collective bargaining on contracts, but it would prohibit them from holding the most vulnerable members of the community hostage as leverage to get their way.
 
So anyway, I would really like to hear input on the subject of unions for public employees, legal prohibitions on strikes, and particularly from the liberals on the board regarding the balance between union solidarity versus concern for the poor, which they so often claim to champion. The assumption with unions is usually that THEY are the helpless, downtrodden victims, but what happens when they're the fatcat bullies harming those even more downtrodden? Singing a couple of rousing choruses of "Look for the union label" doesn't really cut it in these situations.

Whatever the opinions - and I really do want to hear them all - I would hope that both sides of the aisle can appreciate the action of first saying, "Something should be done", and then taking the responsibility to actually do it.
 
So anyway, I would really like to hear input on the subject of unions for public employees, legal prohibitions on strikes, and particularly from the liberals on the board regarding the balance between union solidarity versus concern for the poor, which they so often claim to champion. The assumption with unions is usually that THEY are the helpless, downtrodden victims, but what happens when they're the fatcat bullies harming those even more downtrodden? Singing a couple of rousing choruses of "Look for the union label" doesn't really cut it in these situations.

Whatever the opinions - and I really do want to hear them all - I would hope that both sides of the aisle can appreciate the action of first saying, "Something should be done", and then taking the responsibility to actually do it.

Unions are evil and should be made illegal again. They have driven 30 million jobs offshore and should be condemned if only for that.
 
So anyway, I would really like to hear input on the subject of unions for public employees, legal prohibitions on strikes, and particularly from the liberals on the board regarding the balance between union solidarity versus concern for the poor, which they so often claim to champion. The assumption with unions is usually that THEY are the helpless, downtrodden victims, but what happens when they're the fatcat bullies harming those even more downtrodden? Singing a couple of rousing choruses of "Look for the union label" doesn't really cut it in these situations.

Whatever the opinions - and I really do want to hear them all - I would hope that both sides of the aisle can appreciate the action of first saying, "Something should be done", and then taking the responsibility to actually do it.

Unions are evil and should be made illegal again. They have driven 30 million jobs offshore and should be condemned if only for that.

Well, since bus systems are service jobs, they pretty much have to remain local.
 
You may want to contact your state representative's office. They might be able to help.

I will be contacting both my state representative and my state senator, as well as the offices of all of the city councilmen. I need to know exactly what can be done to express the displeasure of the people of Tucson regarding our local Teamsters' union in this regard. You want to bargain collectively? Fine. But 42 days of senior citizens, people in wheelchairs, and the working poor sitting in blistering summer heat for hours waiting for buses just so they can get to their jobs and doctors' appointments? People losing their jobs because they can't get to work? Totally unacceptable. We had one of these strikes last year as well, and can most likely expect another in two years when the new contract comes up for renegotiation, and it's long past time WE put forth a little collective bargaining on our own behalf. No more of this nonsense of holding the city hostage. The bus company had people driving around in cars to bus stops, handing out bottled water from coolers to keep people from passing out due to dehydration and heat stroke. It was ridiculous.
 
So anyway, I would really like to hear input on the subject of unions for public employees, legal prohibitions on strikes, and particularly from the liberals on the board regarding the balance between union solidarity versus concern for the poor, which they so often claim to champion. The assumption with unions is usually that THEY are the helpless, downtrodden victims, but what happens when they're the fatcat bullies harming those even more downtrodden? Singing a couple of rousing choruses of "Look for the union label" doesn't really cut it in these situations.

Whatever the opinions - and I really do want to hear them all - I would hope that both sides of the aisle can appreciate the action of first saying, "Something should be done", and then taking the responsibility to actually do it.

Unions are evil and should be made illegal again. They have driven 30 million jobs offshore and should be condemned if only for that.

Well, since bus systems are service jobs, they pretty much have to remain local.

Yes, sadly, unions are trying to organize jobs that cant be exported. That way either we meet their demands or they strike and shut down services. Imagine our economy if we all saw that kind of violence as the way to get ahead in life?

The best choice is to make them or illegal again or to let govt's replace the workers who go on strike!
 
Unions today are run by socialists. Greedy socialists. Ask a striking employee at Boeing or a teacher what they make and what the bennies are and they won't tell you. Unless you are doing very well, it's more than you rake in and they know it.

Teachers do strike the same way here. If they are going to do it, they do it after summer vacation and a week before school. That creates massive problems for people with work and child care, etc. and they know it, it's why they do it.

It's also illegal but that doesn't mean shit because Democrat thugs run the state. We have turned into a government ruling class and unions are mostly public sector these days since they put private sector businesses under.

Good luck though, hope it does some good, there must be a lot of peed off people there (sounds a lot like something in Italy or Greece).
 
Unions today are run by socialists. Greedy socialists. Ask a striking employee at Boeing or a teacher what they make and what the bennies are and they won't tell you. Unless you are doing very well, it's more than you rake in and they know it.

Teachers do strike the same way here. If they are going to do it, they do it after summer vacation and a week before school. That creates massive problems for people with work and child care, etc. and they know it, it's why they do it.

It's also illegal but that doesn't mean shit because Democrat thugs run the state. We have turned into a government ruling class and unions are mostly public sector these days since they put private sector businesses under.

Good luck though, hope it does some good, there must be a lot of peed off people there (sounds a lot like something in Italy or Greece).

what a great example lib teachers set: "listen children you get ahead in life with union violence not with greater knowledge so no real need to do your homework just go on strike, when you grow up, when you want to earn more.
 
So anyway, I would really like to hear input on the subject of unions for public employees, legal prohibitions on strikes, and particularly from the liberals on the board regarding the balance between union solidarity versus concern for the poor, which they so often claim to champion. The assumption with unions is usually that THEY are the helpless, downtrodden victims, but what happens when they're the fatcat bullies harming those even more downtrodden? Singing a couple of rousing choruses of "Look for the union label" doesn't really cut it in these situations.

Whatever the opinions - and I really do want to hear them all - I would hope that both sides of the aisle can appreciate the action of first saying, "Something should be done", and then taking the responsibility to actually do it.

Unions are evil and should be made illegal again. They have driven 30 million jobs offshore and should be condemned if only for that.

Well, since bus systems are service jobs, they pretty much have to remain local.

Yes, sadly, unions are trying to organize jobs that cant be exported. That way either we meet their demands or they strike and shut down services. Imagine our economy if we all saw that kind of violence as the way to get ahead in life?

The best choice is to make them or illegal again or to let govt's replace the workers who go on strike!

Well, thanks to the left, any government or quasi-government enterprise automatically has a union that's so hedged around with legal protection that it's virtually impossible to protect the people from their bullying.

I'll settle at this point for making it illegal for them to go on strike and shut down public services to hold the most vulnerable members of society hostage.
 
Unions today are run by socialists. Greedy socialists. Ask a striking employee at Boeing or a teacher what they make and what the bennies are and they won't tell you. Unless you are doing very well, it's more than you rake in and they know it.

Teachers do strike the same way here. If they are going to do it, they do it after summer vacation and a week before school. That creates massive problems for people with work and child care, etc. and they know it, it's why they do it.

It's also illegal but that doesn't mean shit because Democrat thugs run the state. We have turned into a government ruling class and unions are mostly public sector these days since they put private sector businesses under.

Good luck though, hope it does some good, there must be a lot of peed off people there (sounds a lot like something in Italy or Greece).

Let me put it this way. The strike ended Wednesday night. On Thursday, when the regular drivers went back to work, at least three buses I know of had people board and then shit all over the floor at the back of the bus. They had to call out replacements to finish the route while the driver had to try to clean up the mess.

The sane people are pissed, too. The Teamsters made no friends here.
 
There is no RIGHT to public transportation. At least not in any State Constitution or City Charter I've ever seen. So youve got an uphill battle in front of you.
 
There is no RIGHT to public transportation. At least not in any State Constitution or City Charter I've ever seen. So youve got an uphill battle in front of you.

the whole concept of using govt connections to demand higher wages that other workers must pay for through higher prices is anti-America and should be made illegal again.
 
the whole concept of using govt connections to demand higher wages that other workers must pay for through higher prices is anti-America and should be made illegal again.

What government connections are you talking about. This is an issue between the workers and their employer.

Nobody is forced to use the busses. If you want a service you have to pay for it.

Higher pay and the protections of a Union Contract are sometimes the only way to get people to work for a lousy employer. I can tell you that from experience.
 
What government connections are you talking about. This is an issue between the workers and their employer.

sorry, but liberals passed laws to violently force businesses to recognize and bargain with unions. Otherwise, a business would just hire new workers when the old ones went on strike. Make sense now??
 
sorry, but liberals passed laws to violently force businesses to recognize and bargain with unions. Otherwise, a business would just hire new workers when the old ones went on strike. Make sense now??

No intelligent individual is gonna try to go throigh a picket line to take a represented job. At keast nobody who doesn't have suicidal tendencies.
 
sorry, but liberals passed laws to violently force businesses to recognize and bargain with unions. Otherwise, a business would just hire new workers when the old ones went on strike. Make sense now??

No intelligent individual is gonna try to go throigh a picket line to take a represented job. At keast nobody who doesn't have suicidal tendencies.

of course that's BS. It would be a heroic civic duty to help crush the anti-American union slime that drove 30 million jobs off shore, and to support your family.
 
of course that's BS. It would be a heroic civic duty to help crush the anti-American union slime that drove 30 million jobs off shore, and to support your family.

How do you support your family after someone puts a round of .308 through your windshield when you try to cross that picket line?

For years I would have agreed with you; until I started working for my current emoloyer in 2001. In 2007 the entire Engineering/Design group unionized becayse the Company had proven to have no concern for us or our customers. Since then 3 other najor departments have Unionized fir the sane reason and 2 more tried but were derailed during negotiations. The Union has filed a Federal Lawsuit in one of those rwo cases.
 
of course if true you'd all find better jobs and you're customers would find better suppliers.

My brothers abd sisters and I get very well compensated for dealing with our employer's crap. I've looked and I can't find a non-union job with comparable salary and benefits packages. As for our customers, they have the Stste PUC and AG to protect them.
 

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