Understanding H.R. 3200

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    Call me crazy. Call me the proverbial "Kool-Aid Drinker". Call me a socialist. Call me a Communist. Tell me that we should just, "send them a bill". Accuse me of being a blind follower of "Obamacare". Call me a F*$%ing moron. Call me an idiot. But I found this site interesting.

    This is a site at: energycommerce.house.gov. Oh I know....the government is unreliable unless they are paying someone's salary, or they are approving an American-made drug (FDA), and protecting us from the evils of imported drugs). Otherwise....the government is "IN THE WAY!".

    Anyway....what this site is attempting to do is to put this bill into laymen's terms, so that average people like myself, might better understand what exactly they are trying to do.

    Now, by posting this, I am not trying to say that I agree with everything that the bill proposes.

    I read about uncompensated care in my congressional district. Now surely everyone on the right and the left and in between knows that uncompensated care is probably one of the biggest reasons that we are seeking healthcare reform.

    But anyway....I live in Kentucky. And this is what I discovered:

    "Relieving the burden of uncompensated care for hospitals and health care providers. In 2008, health care providers in the district provided $118 million worth of uncompensated care, care that was provided to individuals who lacked insurance coverage and were unable to pay their bills. Under the legislation, these costs of uncompensated care would be virtually eliminated."

    Okay, whether or not the gov't. is the answer. If this is not paid, and we don't get healthcare reform in the manner that is being proposed....who is going to compensate these hospitals for the millions of uncompensated care that they are giving?

    I'm just pondering. I welcome both sides of the argument, and hopefully I will get personal opinions and resolutions and not name-calling.

    Ideas, anyone?
     
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    Explain to me how the congress critters are going to cut 500 billion from medicare without denying seniors care! Explain to me how the congresscritters are going to make sure Americans are not paying for the health care of illegals.. explain to me why it is fair for 50% of the American Federal Income Tax payers to foot the bill for the other 50% of people who do not contribute to Federal Income tax.. and 1/2 of Mexico.
     
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    Willow, remember what I said: I am not suggesting that I agree that gov't. takeover is the answer. There is no hidden agenda or message to this thread.

    Do you have a suggestion on how we pay for uncompensated care? I work for a hospital, and I'm feeling it! Our compensation is better than many, because I work in a wealthy area. But we are feeling it. We're not getting a raise this year because our collections are down 4%. Yes, I am more than thankful that I have a job. But our equipment seems to breaking more frequently these days, and we cannot get it fixed (costs too much). Supplies don't get ordered as often. (medications being one of them). Holes in uniforms. Soles falling off boots, etc...

    So who is going to pay for it? If not government (and that's not what I am suggesting) then who?
     
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    that's why your hospital charges ten bucks for an aspirin,, to pay for uncompensated care,, you also have a thing called bill collectors and small claims court.. how much uncompensated care is because the person is unwilling to pay and not unable? first we need those figures. and secondly,, how much uncompensated care is due to illegal immigration?
     
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    I should add that this has been coming for about 4 years. The decline in experience and competency in hiring. The quality of our equipment. This is unprecedented at this hospital, and in this community. I've been employed there for 10 years, and I've never seen the likes before, of what I have seen in the last 4.
     
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    Saying it well, with lots of links:

    Kausfiles : How Health Care Reform Commits Suicide

     
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    You're correct about illegal immigrants. Absolutely correct. But that is nothing new. I saw it during the Clinton years. I saw it during the Bush years. Something to think about: someone is hiring these people. Someone, is giving them the incentive to come here. There are websites that announce those people. The information is questionably credible, but my point is again....someone is hiring them. Someone with a hell of a lot more money than I have. Is that ethical?

    Now, I am all for immigration when someone takes the appropriate channels. I'm not someone who thinks that we should open the floodgates and let everyone in. We're all immigrants. Some of us have been here longer than others. I digress...

    The expensive aspirin...that's just an example. Just about every hospital is going to charge more for something simple such as tylenol. Nurses don't work for free. They have to be paid to bring them to you. They are paid well for what they do, and they do it well, so they should be compensated well. And physicians have to be paid to write the order for the drug. That's another reason that things such as aspirin are going to cost more in a hospital setting. Just like we pay a mechanic more to maintenance our vehicles than we would spend, if we did it ourselves.

    Yes, there are always going to be people unwilling to pay for what they've used. And certainly you've raised a good point: I will do reasearch and try to ascertain what percentage of people are just deadbeats. That will be a long process, and any input you have for where I might find that information would be much appreciated. With the HIPPA laws, I doubt that I will find much in relation to healthcare. And you can't get blood from a turnip. A GM plant has recently closed in the district that I work in. That hasn't helped our collections either, I'm sure. If I remember correctly, the uncompensated care dollar amount for that district was $116 million. I'll have to double check though.
     
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    Annie, I fully understand living wills, DNR orders, advance directives...etc...You're barking up the wrong tree, where I am concerned. You need to use this on someone who isn't in the business.
     
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    We are all screwed if this abortion passes!!! Thats why congess, senate and families will be exempt from this WONDERFUL program. Makes you wonder why if this is so good why won't they use it? Call your congressman now and complain!!!! Better yet show up at their next townhall meeting and watch them sqirm when pressed with questions and outrage from their constituants!!!!
     
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    no she isn't,, barking up the wrong tree, the democrats are going to refuse care to the elderly, and at the same time give it to illegals,, she has it esactly right! now don't try to blow smoke up everybody's ass under the guise that you work in the health care industry..
     

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