UN Vote on Palestinian State in September 2011

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    "With revolutionary fervor sweeping the Middle East, Israel is under mounting pressure to make a far-reaching offer to the Palestinians or face a United Nations vote welcoming the State of Palestine as a member whose territory includes all of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

    "The Palestinian Authority has been steadily building support for such a resolution in September, a move that could place Israel into a diplomatic vise.

    "Israel would be occupying land belonging to a fellow United Nations member, land it has controlled and settled for more than four decades and some of which it expects to keep in any two-state solution..."

    "'We are facing a diplomatic-political tsunami that the majority of the public is unaware of and that will peak in September,' said Ehud Barak, Israel’s defense minister, at a conference in Tel Aviv last month. 'It is a very dangerous situation, one that requires action.' He added, 'Paralysis, rhetoric, inaction will deepen the isolation of Israel.'”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html
     
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    I think this is a bad idea. It is proposed by the "Oslo people" who do not represent a majority of the Palestinians.
     
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    The New York Times printed a "correction" on April 4th that's also worth pondering:

    "An earlier version of this article incorrectly suggested that the United States would be unable to support Israel by blocking a U.N. General Assembly this September for the creation of a Palestinian state because the United States has no veto power on such a vote. States are admitted to membership in the United Nations by decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council, where the United States can cast a veto vote."

    You follow this issue much more closely than I do; however, I don't think you can afford to underestimate the potential for very rapid change imposed by the "Arab Spring."

    "Israel, which has settled hundreds of thousands of Jews inside the West Bank and East Jerusalem, acknowledges that it will have to withdraw from much of the land it now occupies there.

    "But it hopes to hold onto the largest settlement blocs and much of East Jerusalem as well as the border to the east with Jordan and does not want to enter into talks with the other side’s position as the starting point.

    "That was true even before its closest ally in the Arab world, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, was driven from power, helping fuel protest movements that now roil other countries, including Jordan, which has its own peace agreement with Israel."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?_r=1
     
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    And then what? A free Lamborghini to every palistanian?
     
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    mounting pressure from whom? hamas? hezbollah?
     
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    Germany, France and Britain want negotiations based on June '67 boundaries while Israel argues against that suggestion because it "predetermines the outcome."

    Apparently, at the moment only the Obama administration among members of the quartet (UN, EU and Russia) has not formally committed to the June '67 lines as a starting point for negotiations.

    "Israel, which has settled hundreds of thousands of Jews inside the West Bank and East Jerusalem, acknowledges that it will have to withdraw from much of the land it now occupies there.

    "But it hopes to hold onto the largest settlement blocs and much of East Jerusalem as well as the border to the east with Jordan and does not want to enter into talks with the other side’s position as the starting point."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?_r=1
     
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    If the international community recognizes a Palestinian State on the June '67 borders it won't be Arabs in need of fast cars.

    "At that moment, every Israeli apartment in Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood will become illegal.

    "Every military base in the West Bank will be contravening the sovereignty of an independent UN member state.

    "The Palestinians will not be obligated to accept demilitarization and peace and to recognize the occupation."

    It sounds like the "Arab Spring" will kick off a long, hot summer.

    Israel needs to launch a preemptive diplomatic strike - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
     
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    The settlers do not have to move. They have been invited to stay as Palestinian citizens.
     
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    Do you have any idea what form of law Jews and Palestinians would be living under?

    Wouldn't both religions argue against equality between Jew and Arab?
     
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    Do you see it as just land? It's not Israel must have the land to defend itself.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xAAYMq3vM]YouTube - NTEB: Israel Must Be Able To Defend Itself Early[/ame]
     

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