Stratford57
Diamond Member
We all are very sorrowful about the tragedy with Malaysian plane. However that tragedy would never happen if Ukrainians had not started a war against their people in Donbass. And having started that war Ukrainians should have been more responsible for complete shutdown of the sky above the military actions to secure all the civilian flights.
From the very first minute the plane crashed Ukrainian and American officials have blamed the Donbass Territorial army for shooting the plane, claiming that they have irrefutable evidence. A Ukrainian dispatcher in Dnepropetrovsk was leading that plane up to its last minute. But instead of publishing the tape with the last negotiations of Ukrainian dispatcher and Malaysian pilot Ukrainian Security Service withdrew that tape and started working with it. It does not look like they are in a particular hurry to present the tape to the rest of the world. For some strange reason in spite of a regular corridor the same plane used before, on July, 17 it deviated for 14 km towards Donbass Territorial army positions and descended a few hundred meters. So publishing the tape would help a lot to find out the truth than throwing some doubtful conversations ( questionable recordings) and pictures for the public to discuss.
Their patrons in USA also claim they know who did it. No doubt about that because American satellite was flying above that territory at the exact time when the tragedy happened. We believe them when they say they know the truth, but would it go along with their interests to share that truth, because lately they clearly and unconditionally supported the Ukrainians in all their ugly actions.
Meanwhile the Donbass Territorial army did what they were supposed to do: gave the black boxes from the crashed Boeing to Malaysian experts. How did Ukraine help? It started bombing the place where the foreign experts were working from aircrafts and Grads as close as 7 km to the catastrophe zone in spite of Poroshenkos promise to give 40 km peace zone for the experts to work.
Today even without knowing all the facts of the tragedy it becomes more and more clear who is interested in a real clean investigation of it and who is not. Lets see who gained from that tragedy (sorry to be that pragmatic). Russia and the Donbass Territorial army have certainly not. The whole world is even closer to believe Ukrainians and their American patrons calling the Donbass people terrorists. However a few days before the tragedy happened Ukrainians were just a few steps from a huge loss in Dondass after several recent major defeats and losses of their soldiers and military weapons. The tragedy helped Ukrainians to buy some time, to rest and to pull up more troops. (Just what they did when Poroshenko declared ceasefire in June. He never actually stopped the fire de facto but it allowed him to sign documents about association with EU and to regroup). Also now all the attention of the whole world is attracted to Malaysian Boeing. Everybody is holding his breath thinking : Who did that? . Thousands (!) of civilians including about hundred children killed and their houses ruined by Ukrainians in Donbass are forgotten. And not too many people in the world still remember about the Russian TU-154 plane from Israel to Russia which was shot by Ukrainians in 2001. If somebody has forgotten, the authors would like to remind you that in 2001 Ukrainians had been denying their fault for a week. They admitted it only after all the irrefutable evidence were presented against them. And even after that the Ukrainian president Kuchma officially told the world: It was a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. And no apologies . Have you heard any apologies from Poroshenko yet?
From the very first minute the plane crashed Ukrainian and American officials have blamed the Donbass Territorial army for shooting the plane, claiming that they have irrefutable evidence. A Ukrainian dispatcher in Dnepropetrovsk was leading that plane up to its last minute. But instead of publishing the tape with the last negotiations of Ukrainian dispatcher and Malaysian pilot Ukrainian Security Service withdrew that tape and started working with it. It does not look like they are in a particular hurry to present the tape to the rest of the world. For some strange reason in spite of a regular corridor the same plane used before, on July, 17 it deviated for 14 km towards Donbass Territorial army positions and descended a few hundred meters. So publishing the tape would help a lot to find out the truth than throwing some doubtful conversations ( questionable recordings) and pictures for the public to discuss.
Their patrons in USA also claim they know who did it. No doubt about that because American satellite was flying above that territory at the exact time when the tragedy happened. We believe them when they say they know the truth, but would it go along with their interests to share that truth, because lately they clearly and unconditionally supported the Ukrainians in all their ugly actions.
Meanwhile the Donbass Territorial army did what they were supposed to do: gave the black boxes from the crashed Boeing to Malaysian experts. How did Ukraine help? It started bombing the place where the foreign experts were working from aircrafts and Grads as close as 7 km to the catastrophe zone in spite of Poroshenkos promise to give 40 km peace zone for the experts to work.
Today even without knowing all the facts of the tragedy it becomes more and more clear who is interested in a real clean investigation of it and who is not. Lets see who gained from that tragedy (sorry to be that pragmatic). Russia and the Donbass Territorial army have certainly not. The whole world is even closer to believe Ukrainians and their American patrons calling the Donbass people terrorists. However a few days before the tragedy happened Ukrainians were just a few steps from a huge loss in Dondass after several recent major defeats and losses of their soldiers and military weapons. The tragedy helped Ukrainians to buy some time, to rest and to pull up more troops. (Just what they did when Poroshenko declared ceasefire in June. He never actually stopped the fire de facto but it allowed him to sign documents about association with EU and to regroup). Also now all the attention of the whole world is attracted to Malaysian Boeing. Everybody is holding his breath thinking : Who did that? . Thousands (!) of civilians including about hundred children killed and their houses ruined by Ukrainians in Donbass are forgotten. And not too many people in the world still remember about the Russian TU-154 plane from Israel to Russia which was shot by Ukrainians in 2001. If somebody has forgotten, the authors would like to remind you that in 2001 Ukrainians had been denying their fault for a week. They admitted it only after all the irrefutable evidence were presented against them. And even after that the Ukrainian president Kuchma officially told the world: It was a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. And no apologies . Have you heard any apologies from Poroshenko yet?
