Ukraine Military running low on ammo

[gipper]

Not one inaccurate statement from me. From you we have constant babble, conspiracy theories shared with Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and one-sided Trump and Putin propaganda. You are so one-sidedly anti-Zionist, your comments verge on being anti-Semitic. You love boasting you are “well-informed” because you think being “well-informed” means swallowing the anti-American internet propaganda of people like Gerald Celente and his friends.

You blame everything on the U.S. and Israel — including Putin’s bloody invasion of Ukraine and the Hamas’ bloody attack on Israel. You might as well praise the Iranian regime and North Korea too — they are after all bitterly hostile to Western liberal-democratic norms and (weakening) “U.S. hegemony.” Maybe you think the Houthis (and their Iranian arms suppliers) are right to target Israeli shipping in the Red Sea & Indian Ocean? Should Hezbollah attack Israel from Southern Lebanon will you rally behind them for showing “solidarity with Palestinians” and fighting the “Zionist enemy”?

Learn from your mistakes. Don’t keep accepting propaganda as truth.


Yes...Ukraine not getting U.S. funding

Ukraine lost counteroffensive

Zelensky so unpopular he needs to ban elections

Top competitors say he's turning country into authoritarian state

And top @WSJ just named Putin "geopolitical winner of the year"

Now the propaganda is Putin's desperate for a ceasefire....

Remember when Russia "already lost" and Putin was dying from blood cancer?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Yes...Ukraine not getting U.S. funding
Ukraine lost counteroffensive
Zelensky so unpopular he needs to ban elections
Top competitors say he's turning country into authoritarian state
And top @WSJ just named Putin "geopolitical winner of the year"
Now the propaganda is Putin's desperate for a ceasefire.Remember when Russia "already lost" and Putin was dying from blood cancer?

You’re such a fool, accusing me of accepting “Liberal” propaganda. What propaganda? I said from the beginning the Ukrainians were outgunned and outnumbered and and the Russians had the advantage of huge oil wealth too. I warned Ukrainian nationalists even before Maidan that they could not rely on the fickle American government’s commitment to them, especially given the reality that Republicans and our Putin-friendly populist Trump wanted to make a deal at their expense. Early Ukrainian successes surprised everyone. This war was Putin’s war, not a “war of choice” for the Biden Administration.

As I warned, anti-American defeatists and appeasers — like you and other rightwing populists — from the beginning sought to pressure the U.S. to abandon Ukraine to Putin’s tender mercies, even though no Americans troops were fighting there, and military expenses spent in the U.S. for weapons sent to Ukraine were necessary for strengthening and reorganizing depleted U.S. military and military-industrial resources.

The war is not over yet, just as it was not over in April 2022 when Russia was retreating, when fools like you imagined “peace” was really possible, except for Biden’s intransigence. The Ukrainian Army for one would never have agreed. Further fighting by that army actually drove Russia out of Ukraine’s 2nd largest city Kharkov and Kherson and almost led to the toppling of Putin.

You have been consistently on the wrong side. You have always wanted to abandon Ukraine, knowing that NATO and U.S. support was necessary as the war expanded, changed its character and became a war of artillery and high tech weapons. You applaud Russia’s re-stabilized lines inside Ukraine. Of course Russia has not yet even conquered the provinces Putin claims Russia has annexed and are “eternal parts” of “Mother Russia,” and he has rejected peace negotiations until Russia has met “all of its objectives.”

What is most base and disgusting is your obvious worship of pure military power exercised by big nation imperialists and glory-seeking dictators like Putin, who unilaterally violate sovereign state borders … in Europe no less.

You can’t wait to see brutal Russian soldiers murdering Ukrainian patriots, marching through Odessa and even Kiev, destroying all the “Nazis” there. Some “revolutionary,” some “libertarian.” You are just a Putin apologist and appeaser.

 

[ESay]

The best time for some 'peace' was in November 2022, when Ukraine was in a position of 'strength'. Successful Kharkiv and Kherson operations, a number of newly formed military brigades, guaranteed arms supplies from the West for the next year.

Yes, it would have meant stopping the fight on the current frontline and de-facto recognizing Russian territorial gains. But that would have also meant ending the heavy losses and possibility to preserve the Ukrainian state out of Russian sphere of influence.

But greedy, incompetent and lying Zelensky administration being greatly boosted by Ukrainian initial successes wanted this war to go on, for various reasons. Of course, it was encouraged by some of the Western officials in that.

What in this equation is the worst for Ukraine, the thing that could seal its fate, is that Ukraine doesn't really have allies in the US and Europe. All that cheering crowd supports is not Ukraine per se, but 'war against Russia' that should lead to Russia's defeat, overthrowing of the Putin regime, and of course a political defeat of their 'right wing' domestic opponents with the blonde man with tanned face in particular.

One can only wonder at what speed this crowd will disperse as soon as they realize how futile their hopes are.

 

[gipper]

The best time for some 'peace' was in November 2022, when Ukraine was in a position of 'strength'. Successful Kharkiv and Kherson operations, a number of newly formed military brigades, guaranteed arms supplies from the West for the next year.

Yes, it would have meant stopping the fight on the current frontline and de-facto recognizing Russian territorial gains. But that would have also meant ending the heavy losses and possibility to preserve the Ukrainian state out of Russian sphere of influence.

But greedy, incompetent and lying Zelensky administration being greatly boosted by Ukrainian initial successes wanted this war to go on, for various reasons. Of course, it was encouraged by some of the Western officials in that.

What in this equation is the worst for Ukraine, the thing that could seal its fate, is that Ukraine doesn't really have allies in the US and Europe. All that cheering crowd supports is not Ukraine per se, but 'war against Russia' that should lead to Russia's defeat, overthrowing of the Putin regime, and of course a political defeat of their 'right wing' domestic opponents with the blonde man with tanned face in particular.

One can only wonder at what speed this crowd will disperse as soon as they realize how futile their hopes are.

That is an excellent post. I didn’t think it possible.

The crowd has already dispersed. Ukraine is pretty much on its own now. Z better seek peace or he’s likely to end up with a hole in his head.

Z is now trying to draft all Ukrainian men, even those abroad, to use them as canon fodder. Hopefully saner heads prevail and Z is sent packing.

 

[JWBooth]

There have been many reports in the news of Ukraine been in dire need of ammo and weapons to continue fighting the Russian Federation. Why can't all the NATO countries not supply Ukraine with what it needs. It seems that the USA is the country providing the most help to the Ukrainians.

Break open your checkbook and leave me be.

 

[Ringo]

In Kherson at night "Iskander" complex destroyed a railroad train with аmerican "Patriot" missile defense system.
It was going to be transferred to another location.
The building at the railway station where ukrainian military and foreign instructors were located was also destroyed, preliminary losses were 40 AFU servicemen and 4 instructors from Britain.

 

[GLASNOST]

There have been many reports in the news of Ukraine been in dire need of ammo and weapons to continue fighting the Russian Federation.

Good.

Why can't all the NATO countries not supply Ukraine with what it needs.

1). Because it's unlawful.
2). Because Ukraine is the bad guy.

It seems that the USA is the country providing the most help to the Ukrainians.

That's your fault.

 

[GLASNOST]

Make Peace, you fools!

Yes.

This is b.s. propaganda and a sign of shear cowardice. The “Make Peace Not War” bullshit of … cowards .....

How much Ukraini mud do you have on your boots, Bonzi?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Glasnost:
“How much Ukraini mud do you have on your boots, Bonzi?“

And should Churchill have “made peace” after Poland was invaded? HOW? Didn’t Chamberlain try that? Should we have ended “lend-lease” to Great Britain and abandoned it to Nazi Germany? How about after the Nazis took France? Stay completely neutral? Did that work? Why couldn’t we make peace with Japan? Perhaps we should just have abandoned China, Southeast Asia?

You have Russian mud on your face, comrade … from licking Putin’s boots.

P.S. Putin stands for the utter death of “Glasnost.”

 

[Ringo]

Glasnost:
“How much Ukraini mud do you have on your boots, Bonzi?“

And should Churchill have “made peace” after Poland was invaded? HOW? Didn’t Chamberlain try that? Should we have ended “lend-lease” to Great Britain and abandoned it to Nazi Germany? How about after the Nazis took France? Stay completely neutral? Did that work? Why couldn’t we make peace with Japan? Perhaps we should just have abandoned China, Southeast Asia?

You have Russian mud on your face, comrade … from licking Putin’s boots.

P.S. Putin stands for the utter death of “Glasnost.”

Your fight for justice is very selective, to say the least, which is why it's not worth a shit.

 

[GLASNOST]

And should Churchill have “made peace” after Poland was invaded?

Instead of declaring war and hiding in the trenches in France a million miles away from Poland as he did? An enormous show of bravery that was, heh?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Instead of declaring war and hiding in the trenches in France a million miles away from Poland as he did? An enormous show of bravery that was, heh?

Not even worth a serious reply …

 

[GLASNOST]

Instead of declaring war and hiding in the trenches in France a million miles away from Poland as he did? An enormous show of bravery that was, heh?

Not even worth a serious reply …

You've got no reply to my post because you don't even know what I am talking about. You're one of those who reads the propaganda headlines but never the fine print.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Looks like they're now trying to conscript as many people as they can in order to use it as leverage/justification to look to Washington to milk American taxpayers even more, at the barrel of our government's gun.

Basically they wanna say, see, we have all of these soldiers but no money or weapons...

 

[GLASNOST]

Looks like they're now trying to conscript as many people as they can in order to use it as leverage/justification to look to Washington to milk American taxpayers even more, at the barrel of our government's gun.

Basically they wanna say, see, we have all of these soldiers but no money or weapons...

It looks that way, yes.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Glasnost:
“You've got no reply to my post because you don't even know what I am talking about. You're one of those who reads the propaganda headlines but never the fine print.“

And you are a complete historical ignoramus. Should Churchill have parachuted into Poland after Sept 1939? He pushed through a declaration of war, put the country on full war footing, succeeded in convincing his American allies they needed to join the effort … and Roosevelt was right to help via “lend lease”… which kept Great Britain in the fight.

Churchill was totally a supporter of the British Empire, believing in the superiority of British civilization — an “imperialist” — and he himself came late to the understanding of what Fascism represented.

But you are a worm compared to him. He was personally courageous and politically strong-willed, which is why he went down in history as a great leader who rallied his people and other Europeans when all looked lost.

Similarly, the Ukrainians are only asking for a kind of “lend-lease” assistance so they can stay in the fight and keep their own independence … but “Mr. Glasnost” would rather abandon them and help Putin win.

 

[GLASNOST]

And you are a complete historical ignoramus. Should Churchill have parachuted into Poland after Sept 1939? He pushed through a declaration of war, put the country on full war footing, succeeded in convincing his American allies they needed to join the effort …

You silly child. Britain declared war, whoop-dee-doo, and then waited inside France for the Germans to attack ........ France. Maybe you should find a map and see where Poland is.

Similarly, the Ukrainians are only asking for a kind of “lend-lease” assistance so they can stay in the fight and keep their own independence …

It was the Ukies who started it but you don't know that because all you do is read the propaganda headlines but never read the fine print. Anyway, their "independence" (as you childishly call it) has never been an issue. Duh. By the way, you talk about cowardice but I am a war veteran and I survived. That makes me more credible than you: "Cowardice"? What do you know about it?

but “Mr. Glasnost” would rather abandon them and help Putin win.

pussy boy.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Your fight for justice is very selective, to say the least, which is why it's not worth a shit.

The “fight for justice” has got to be “selective” and “nuanced” and at times very hard to make out. You expect everything to be all black and white? That just is not the way the world is.

Cynical simpleminded folk who do not understand real politics, history, or economic reality, often prefer to sit back and follow the leadership of demagogues, or their domestic party leaders on big international questions.

After following in this way long enough, and getting disappointed again and again, many decide to give up. They want to turn back to a simpler world — not realizing that is impossible, and that we were greatest when we were engaged in the world and leading it against fascism.

The disillusioned think none of the struggles going on in the world today have any moral dimension whatever — that nothing is really “worth a shit.”

Often that is true. But not here. Of course there is no guarantee we are correct, even if we have decided as carefully as we can what we believe is just and correct and responsible action.

Nor is it always true that the “bad guys” lose. Nothing can guarantee that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your brain is so full of steaming imaginary shit it could explode!

Where and when did the CIA “ASSURE everyone” that “Putin was weak, sick and his military a paper tiger”?

The fact is the U.S. urged Zelensky to get out of Kiev. The Pentagon and our intelligence agencies assumed like Putin that Russia would conquer Kiev in a day or two and install a puppet government to rule Ukraine in a few weeks at the most.

The U.S. was surprised at the incompetence and total societal corruption that had sapped even the Russian military of strategic effectiveness. Only after the Ukrainian defenses held in Kiev and stopped the Russian offensive elsewhere, after it threw back initial Russian gains and showed that the Russians would have to pay to conquer every foot of Ukraine, did Western military aid really start flowing.

The rest of your screed is equally sheer fantasy taken from RT and rightwing conspiracy fantasists who have been fed Russian disinformation for years.

"The Pentagon and our intelligence agencies assumed like Putin that Russia would conquer Kiev in a day or two and install a puppet government to rule Ukraine in a few weeks at the most." -- this measures your gullibility and dishonesty

 

[GLASNOST]

You’re such a fool ...

That would be you.

... accusing me of accepting “Liberal” propaganda.

You most definitely accept propaganda no matter what sort it is.

What propaganda?

The propaganda of the CIA/Deep State.

I said from the beginning the Ukrainians were outgunned and outnumbered and and the Russians had the advantage of huge oil wealth too.

Is there anyone who doesn't know that?

I warned Ukrainian nationalists even before Maidan that they could not rely on the fickle American government’s commitment to them ....

That, at least, was insightful.

... especially given the reality that Republicans and our Putin-friendly populist Trump wanted to make a deal at their expense.

The cost of peace is not an "expense". Nor is making friends and cooperating.

This war was Putin’s war ...

Who says? The war in Ukraine is Washington's war, not Putin's. He didn't initiate it.

As I warned, anti-American defeatists and appeasers — like you and other rightwing populists — from the beginning sought to pressure the U.S. to abandon Ukraine to Putin’s tender mercies ...

You asked, "what propaganda do I accept?" You just demonstrated it demonstratively.

You have always wanted to abandon Ukraine, knowing that NATO and U.S. support was necessary as the war expanded, changed its character and became a war of artillery and high tech weapons. You applaud Russia’s re-stabilized lines inside Ukraine. Of course Russia has not yet even conquered the provinces Putin claims Russia has annexed and are “eternal parts” of “Mother Russia,” and he has rejected peace negotiations until Russia has met “all of its objectives.”

What is most base and disgusting is your obvious worship of pure military power exercised by big nation imperialists and glory-seeking dictators like Putin, who unilaterally violate sovereign state borders … in Europe no less.

You can’t wait to see brutal Russian soldiers murdering Ukrainian patriots, marching through Odessa and even Kiev, destroying all the “Nazis” there. Some “revolutionary,” some “libertarian.” You are just a Putin apologist and appeaser.

What a string of childish ideas! You cannot be more than 22 or 23 years old and have a minimum of experience in life. Go back to bed.