Uh No - Two al Qaeda Leaders Behind Northwest Bombing Attempt Former Gitmo Prisoners!

[saveliberty]

If true...Bush fucked up big time.

True, but closing Gitmo and giving these foreign combatants access to our civilian courts is still nutz!

Why?

Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.

Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.


There are hundreds more who have been tried, convicted and jailed in jurisdictions in Germany, France, the UK, Indonesia, the Philippines.

Since the al-qaeda operation is global, with cells scattered in every major nation, just where exactly should they all be placed once captured?

Anywhere you can lay a concrete capsule six feet under. Once you hold someone for over five years without a trial, you have made an enemy.

 

[dilloduck]

As I said from the first, if those put in Gitmo were not terrorists when they went in they will be when they come out.

I finally understand-----punish no one and there will be no one angry enough to retaliate.

 

[toomuchtime_]

As I said from the first, if those put in Gitmo were not terrorists when they went in they will be when they come out.

Yup. Bad idea from the gitgo (gitmo).

It was an unconventional idea - if Obama had done it, he would have said it was an improbable, unprecedented and historic idea - but it was the best idea available to us at the time, and although it raises some difficult legal questions and has become a rallying cry for anti American sentiment, it remains our best option for dealing with illegal enemy combatants who are technically neither POW's nor criminals under our domestic legal system but who remain threats to the safety and security of the American people.

 

[MaggieMae]

If true...Bush fucked up big time.

True, but closing Gitmo and giving these foreign combatants access to our civilian courts is still nutz!

Totally agree. These dirtbags need to be tried in MT's not civilian courts. This IS just nutz.

I guess that BO's crew didn't learn anything from Bush's mistake of relaesing some of the Gitmo detaineee. They all go back and pick up their arms and start fighting and killing again.

I don't know about you, but once is usally enough for me.

Many WILL go before military tribunals. But I'm still all in favor of putting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on nationwide television for several days and finally see justice done. After nearly 10 years, I'd say it's way overdue. Waterboarding him in secret 280 times didn't make me feel any better.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Yes the vast majority of Muslims are good peaceful people,

Im not sure you can prove this , you dont know what they are thinking. what their long range plan or orders from in their bayat are .Some may be just lazy or front line clowncar vagina for the next wave, you dont know what they teach their childrten or what lies they tell you .
Only Islamic scripture Al Sira, HAdith, and the Quran can give you the HD full picture .

 

[uscitizen]

As I said from the first, if those put in Gitmo were not terrorists when they went in they will be when they come out.

I finally understand-----punish no one and there will be no one angry enough to retaliate.

No you don't. Punish the innocent and they will hate you.

 

[MaggieMae]

We are releasing these guys, giving them US citizen rights and it has been proven time and time again that they go back to jihad and seek to kill Americans!

Northwest Flight 253: al Qaeda Leaders Behind Terror Plot Were Released by U.S. - ABC News

Two al Qaeda Leaders Behind Northwest Flight 253 Terror Plot Were Released by U.S.
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Believed Behind Northwest Airlines Bomb Plot; Sent to Saudi Arabia in 2007

Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the Northwest bombing in a Monday statement that vowed more attacks on Americans.

Authorities investigate Northwest flight 253 on the tarmac at Detroit Metro Airport in Romulus, Michigan December 27, 2009.
(Reuters/U.S. Marshal's Service)American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an "art therapy rehabilitation program" and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.

Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi

However, if you don't close Guantanamo and set these guys free so that they can go back to planning how to kill Americans, you are never going to convince five Norwegian politicians to give you a Nobel Peace Prize, so who's an American President supposed to listen to, the American people or Norwegian politicians?

Well...if Obama was placating the Norwegians, he used the wrong words. To the ashen-faced Norwegian pacifists in the audience, Obama said without mincing words that "war is often necessary in order to fight evil."

 

[Darkwind]

True, but closing Gitmo and giving these foreign combatants access to our civilian courts is still nutz!

Why?

Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.

Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.


There are hundreds more who have been tried, convicted and jailed in jurisdictions in Germany, France, the UK, Indonesia, the Philippines.

Since the al-qaeda operation is global, with cells scattered in every major nation, just where exactly should they all be placed once captured?

Anywhere you can lay a concrete capsule six feet under. Once you hold someone for over five years without a trial, you have made an enemy.

Yeah because we all know that those who are there went in there because they were the biggest fans of the United States in existence.

The whole notion that gitmo creates more radicals is nothing more then pure bunk. Get rid of gitmo and the same people who would have been radicalized by gitmo will be radicalized by something else.

This kind of thinking is the real danger to our country.

You all want to keep these people from being radicalized then you have to do away with America. Nothing else will do it.

 

[Si modo]

As I said from the first, if those put in Gitmo were not terrorists when they went in they will be when they come out.

I finally understand-----punish no one and there will be no one angry enough to retaliate.

Again, what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

 

[MaggieMae]

As I said from the first, if those put in Gitmo were not terrorists when they went in they will be when they come out.

Of course a liberal would say that! Its backwards thinking and stupidity!

When are you going to abandon your illogical oath to protect Islamic Radicals at all costs. Yes the vast majority of Muslims are good peaceful people, but a large minority of them are poisoned by a radical Islam and you (we) can just stick our heads in the sand and pretent it will go away!

I don't know if he is right or not, but it is anything but backwards thinking. People become radicalized because they think someone (in this case the US) is out to get them.

It is very likely that some innocent people were held without charges, treated like dog shit and became ardent haters of America.

Like I said, Bush fucked this up big time.

At it's peak, some of those housed at Guantanamo were only teenagers. Relate their mindsets to the mindsets of some American teenaged boys who think that patriotism means bang bang shoot 'em up. Yeah, that'll learn 'em.

 

[MaggieMae]

True, but closing Gitmo and giving these foreign combatants access to our civilian courts is still nutz!

Disagree. They need to be put on trial and punished...not be sent back to where they came from.

They are not criminals, they are Lawful Enemy Combatants! Ex Parte Quirin set the precedence that "upheld the jurisdiction of a United States military tribunal over the trial of several Operation Pastorius German saboteurs in the United States. Quirin has been cited as a precedent for the trial by military commission of any unlawful combatant against the United States."
We are at war and the detainees in this war need to be treated as lawful enemy combatants subject to private military tribunals.

Ex Parte Quirin
Ex parte Quirin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course the US Supreme Court has determined otherwise, more than once.

 

[Si modo]

Of course a liberal would say that! Its backwards thinking and stupidity!

When are you going to abandon your illogical oath to protect Islamic Radicals at all costs. Yes the vast majority of Muslims are good peaceful people, but a large minority of them are poisoned by a radical Islam and you (we) can just stick our heads in the sand and pretent it will go away!

I don't know if he is right or not, but it is anything but backwards thinking. People become radicalized because they think someone (in this case the US) is out to get them.

It is very likely that some innocent people were held without charges, treated like dog shit and became ardent haters of America.

Like I said, Bush fucked this up big time.

At it's peak, some of those housed at Guantanamo were only teenagers. Relate their mindsets to the mindsets of some American teenaged boys who think that patriotism means bang bang shoot 'em up. Yeah, that'll learn 'em.

And what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

 

[dilloduck]

I finally understand-----punish no one and there will be no one angry enough to retaliate.

Again, what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

We obviously pissed them off so badly at Gitmo that they were compelled to attack America after their release. If we stop pissing peope off we will have whirrled peas.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We are releasing these guys, giving them US citizen rights and it has been proven time and time again that they go back to jihad and seek to kill Americans!

However, if you don't close Guantanamo and set these guys free so that they can go back to planning how to kill Americans, you are never going to convince five Norwegian politicians to give you a Nobel Peace Prize, so who's an American President supposed to listen to, the American people or Norwegian politicians?

Well...if Obama was placating the Norwegians, he used the wrong words. To the ashen-faced Norwegian pacifists in the audience, Obama said without mincing words that "war is often necessary in order to fight evil."

The Norwegians have learned what American independent and liberal voters have learned about Obama, don't trust anything the man says unless you get it in writing and he has posted a performance bond in support of it.

 

[uscitizen]

Again, what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

We obviously pissed them off so badly at Gitmo that they were compelled to attack America after their release. If we stop pissing peope off we will have whirrled peas.

Well not killing a bunch of their relatives might have helped things a bit. But too late now.
Are there any Iraqi who have not lost a relative in bush's war?

 

[Si modo]

Again, what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

We obviously pissed them off so badly at Gitmo that they were compelled to attack America after their release. If we stop pissing peope off we will have whirrled peas.

Riiiiight. Like Al qaeda needed Gitmo to be what they are.

 

[dilloduck]

Again, what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

We obviously pissed them off so badly at Gitmo that they were compelled to attack America after their release. If we stop pissing peope off we will have whirrled peas.

Riiiiight. Like Al qaeda needed Gitmo to be what they are.

ok dammit----Gitmo made em worser----you know it did !

 

[Si modo]

We obviously pissed them off so badly at Gitmo that they were compelled to attack America after their release. If we stop pissing peope off we will have whirrled peas.

Riiiiight. Like Al qaeda needed Gitmo to be what they are.

ok dammit----Gitmo made em worser----you know it did !

I know!!!

 

[MaggieMae]

I don't know if he is right or not, but it is anything but backwards thinking. People become radicalized because they think someone (in this case the US) is out to get them.

It is very likely that some innocent people were held without charges, treated like dog shit and became ardent haters of America.

Like I said, Bush fucked this up big time.

At it's peak, some of those housed at Guantanamo were only teenagers. Relate their mindsets to the mindsets of some American teenaged boys who think that patriotism means bang bang shoot 'em up. Yeah, that'll learn 'em.

And what does this have to do with those behind flight 253?

I was addressing what Ravi said, not you. So fuck off.

 

[dilloduck]

Doesn't make any sense tho-----4 chicks made me strip and wear a dog collar once and I still like em.