U.s. And mexico

[Againsheila]

Mrs. Sheila

I hope your son who has Down Syndrome is doing well.

I never had the opportunity to tell you but I was heartbroken by your personal account on his illness and all the things you and your husband had to endure.

Thank you, except my son has autism, not down syndrome.

 

[Contumacious]

', when this country was being built, I doubt very much that the founders ran to Mexico or to Canada [/I]

"To remind him that our ancestors, before their emigration to America, were the free inhabitants of the British dominions in Europe, and possessed a right which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as to them shall seem most likely to promote public happiness."

Thomas Jefferson

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[Angelhair]

'You seem to have little knowledge of what you speak; for example, you're ignorant of the fact that the immigration boom of the 1990's occurred after the implementation of NAFTA, widely reviled among the Mexican lower class.'

The one who has little knowledge seems to be you. The illegal migration to the USA was caused by the 1986 amnesty where people flocked to the USA expecting another amnesty down the road. And then we were invaded by chain immigration caused by the same amnesty. A pandoras box was opened and the 'ants marched right in'.

 

[Saladin]

The one who has little knowledge seems to be you. The illegal migration to the USA was caused by the 1986 amnesty where people flocked to the USA expecting another amnesty down the road. And then we were invaded by chain immigration caused by the same amnesty. A pandoras box was opened and the 'ants marched right in'.

Illegal immigration did not find its origins in 1986, and the immigration boom of the 1990's occurred after the implementation of NAFTA and the adverse consequences for the largely Amerindian working class that it had, which ranged from the flooding of agricultural markets with cheap U.S. produce and consequent displacement of farmers and agrarian laborers to cutoffs in subsidization of such persons. The latter trend was a grievance of the Tzotzil Mayans of Chiapas that organized into the Zapatista Army of National Liberation and launched a violent insurrection against the Mexican government.

 

[Angelhair]

No, illegal immigration has been happening since the USA continued to prosper and latin america continued on its road to poverty and misery - but - the ILLEGAL migration increased due to the dire straits that ALL of latin america found themselves in. There is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL migration. Don't confuse the two.

 

[Saladin]

No, illegal immigration has been happening since the USA continued to prosper and latin america continued on its road to poverty and misery - but - the ILLEGAL migration increased due to the dire straits that ALL of latin america found themselves in. There is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL migration. Don't confuse the two.

The inequitable international wage differentials that cause immigration both legal and illegal are exacerbated by trade liberalization, such as IMF/WTO prescriptions that the Mexican political class (predominantly white, in contrast to the predominantly Indian lower class) is content to push through, and particularly through NAFTA. I'm quite aware that you're probably one of those who consider light-skinned Canada and the U.S. "North America" and dark-skinned Mexico and Latin America (and they're basically all the same, I'm sure) "South America," with no comprehension of the fact that there are white ruling classes of Spanish descent in those countries rather than the indigenous migrants that you inaccurately perceive as "Hispanic."

 

[Angelhair]

'I'm quite aware that you're probably one of those who consider light-skinned Canada and the U.S. "North America" and dark-skinned Mexico and Latin America (and they're basically all the same, I'm sure) "South America," with no comprehension of the fact that there are white ruling classes of Spanish descent in those countries rather than the indigenous migrants that you inaccurately perceive as "Hispanic." '

I don't perceive ANYBODY as hispanic. That was a label that was given in the '70s to anybody who spoke Spanish. I was not asked to give MY input. The spanish 'white' ruling class is useless and unfortunately the indegenous accepted them as their 'leaders'. In the many years since, the indegenous have done NOTHING to change their plight. Don't blame the 'whites'. Just look at who is in control in those countries now and you will see many 'brown' faces aka indegenous that to this point have not done a thing to make things better for ANYBODY in latin america.

 

[manu1959]

MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE OF MEXICO:​

We, AMERICAN HYPOCRITES, urge you to "work for “better life” in Mexico for all of Mexico" but If we happened to be born on the "wrong" side of the border we'd be jumping that wall faster than a roadrunner racing a jackrabbit... JUST LIKE YOU!!

i have often wondered why mexcio isn't a better place given all the honest, hardworking people born there........

 

[Saladin]

I don't perceive ANYBODY as hispanic. That was a label that was given in the '70s to anybody who spoke Spanish. I was not asked to give MY input. The spanish 'white' ruling class is useless and unfortunately the indegenous accepted them as their 'leaders'. In the many years since, the indegenous have done NOTHING to change their plight. Don't blame the 'whites'. Just look at who is in control in those countries now and you will see many 'brown' faces aka indegenous that to this point have not done a thing to make things better for ANYBODY in latin america.

Which are the major Latin American countries with Native American heads of state? Venezuela and Bolivia, governed by Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales respectively, correct? Those are the countries moving harshly against the fold and rejecting the Washington Consensus as a poison. And what has Mexico endured? The tenure of a white (predominantly Spanish) racist named Vicente Fox, and now the tenure of a castizo named Felipe Calderon, who is alleged to have fraudulently gained victory over PRD candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. The suppression of the Zapatista rebellion in the poorest state of Chiapas, and the suppression of popular activism by the APPO in the second-poorest state of Oaxaca. But while there is indigenous backlash against the wave of trade liberalization and domestic privatization, there needs to be a parallel trend in the U.S. The enactment of fair trade and just labor reforms will ensure a reduction in the international wage differentials that cause immigration to begin with.

 

[Angelhair]

Which are the major Latin American countries with Native American heads of state? Venezuela and Bolivia, governed by Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales respectively, correct? Those are the countries moving harshly against the fold and rejecting the Washington Consensus as a poison. And what has Mexico endured? The tenure of a white (predominantly Spanish) racist named Vicente Fox, and now the tenure of a castizo named Felipe Calderon, who is alleged to have fraudulently gained victory over PRD candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. The suppression of the Zapatista rebellion in the poorest state of Chiapas, and the suppression of popular activism by the APPO in the second-poorest state of Oaxaca. But while there is indigenous backlash against the wave of trade liberalization and domestic privatization, there needs to be a parallel trend in the U.S. The enactment of fair trade and just labor reforms will ensure a reduction in the international wage differentials that cause immigration to begin with.[/QUOTE]

You pick your poison and I will pick mine. I can tell that you are a socialist/communist supporter and I have no time to deal with your type of mentality. You are a lost cause. We can go on and on and will never agree due to the fact that I am a believer in capitalism and lover of freedom and liberty. You can have your Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Castro, Correa of Ecuador and Ortega of Nicaragua. Good luck to you and those who follow these dictators and all the dictators to come as they are waiting in the wings. Heaven help Mexico and the USA if ever Obrador takes the reins.

 

[Saladin]

You pick your poison and I will pick mine. I can tell that you are a socialist/communist supporter and I have no time to deal with your type of mentality. You are a lost cause. We can go on and on and will never agree due to the fact that I am a believer in capitalism and lover of freedom and liberty. You can have your Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Castro, Correa of Ecuador and Ortega of Nicaragua. Good luck to you and those who follow these dictators and all the dictators to come as they are waiting in the wings. Heaven help Mexico and the USA if ever Obrador takes the reins.

Support of capitalism isn't compatible with support of freedom and liberty, considering that the economic constraints imposed on the lower class are often just as effectively restrictive as formal state constraints would be. If you are to advance from a position of describing democratically elected and domestically popular heads of state as "dictators," then you are indeed correct that there needs to be mentality adjustment. My arguments that immigration is caused by international wage differentials themselves exacerbated by U.S.-led trade liberalization has not been rebutted, however. More than that, I can recognize the oppression of an indigenous population when I see it, whether through the brutality of the Israeli Offensive Forces or in a long campaign of atrocities committed against Amerindians, unjust and authoritarian restrictions on their freedom of movement not least among them.

 

[GHook93]

You suffer from a misconception that the indigenous migrants crossing national borders on continents of their ancestors constitute the homogenous dark-skinned population in Mexico and Latin America. They do not. Many of those countries are ruled by white elites of predominantly Spanish descent that often do not hide their contempt for Indians. It is that political class that enacted the trade liberalization that resulted in the starvation of agrarian Oaxaca and industrial Sonora with the mass importation of cheap U.S. products, even as the Zapatista Army of National Liberation launched a violent insurrection in the poorest and southernmost Mexican state of Chiapas.

This trade liberalization exacerbated the inequitable international wage differentials that cause immigration. Look to the political and financial classes of the U.S. and Mexico as the criminals here, not the displaced Mixtec corn farmer.

Who causes the main problems in Mexico and through Latin America? The Drug Dealers! These are hardly White Elitist. Whites control Latin America , that's rich! I am surprised you didn't say the Zionist are the cause of the problems in Latin America.


See you have problem with reality because your a terrorist sympathizer. Funny how you condemn Whites, but the Muslim Lebanese population ethnically (along religious lines) cleansed Lebanon of your Christian population. They used to be the majority and now they are 20-25% of the population (and that is without the Palestinian residents)! How long before the Christian slip to single digits like the rest of the Middle East?

 

[GHook93]

'Don't believe me? Didn't Mexico once control most of the present day US southwest at one time?
They did not, or could not control immigration and they lost it. '

They sold it to the USA because they had no clue as to what to do with such barren land. The USA saw something good and BOUGHT It. The rest is history. I doubt that Mexico had anything to control.

Be honest with yourself.
(1) The Lousiana Purchase was made by the French to America
(2) Florida I believe was sold or traded to America by the Spaniards
(3) Alaska was sold by the Russians
(4) Hawaii was taken by conquest of a weaker people.
HOWEVER
(5) Texas was won (taken) by the Texas Independence movement
(6) The Southwest was won (taken) after the Mexican-American War
(7) Then a small part was purchased under AZ I believe

 

[Saladin]

Who causes the main problems in Mexico and through Latin America? The Drug Dealers! These are hardly White Elitist! Whites control Latin America that is rich! I am surprised you didn't say the Zionist are the cause of the problems in Latin America.

The political and economic classes of Latin America are indeed predominantly white, as they are usually of Spanish descent. America as a whole was long governed by a caste system that placed Europeans near the top and Amerindians near the bottom, and that continues to be the case in much of Latin America today. Perhaps you'll notice that Colombian president Alvaro Uribe, for example, is far from an Inca.

Incidentally, that particular head of state runs a major drug-producing Latin American country, doesn't he? Please try to maintain greater accuracy in the future.

See you have problem with reality because your a terrorist sympathizer.

I did not expect that you would be capable of providing a substantive response, comrade, but also did not expect you to illustrate that so clearly.

And as a Palestinian resident of Lebanon myself, I'm quite certain that most of your assertions about that community will be inaccurate.

 

[Angelhair]

'Perhaps you'll notice that Colombian president Alvaro Uribe, for example, is far from an Inca.'

Benito Juarez (Zapotec Indian) - 1861
Lazaro Cardenas (Indian/Black) - 1829.

80% of population in Mexico are Mestizo (Spanish/Indian)
10% are Indian
10% are white

So what you are suggesting is that a president should be picked out of the 10% Indian pop and do away with the 10% white and 80% mestizos????? Yep, you are of a socialist/communist mentality.

 

[Saladin]

Benito Juarez (Zapotec Indian) - 1861
Lazaro Cardenas (Indian/Black) - 1829.

80% of population in Mexico are Mestizo (Spanish/Indian)
10% are Indian
10% are white

So what you are suggesting is that a president should be picked out of the 10% Indian pop and do away with the 10% white and 80% mestizos????? Yep, you are of a socialist/communist mentality.

"Mestizos" is an extremely imprecise calculation, as it does not seek to measure specific amounts of European/Amerindian admixture and consequently cannot separate between castizos and cholos. A substantial portion of the "mestizos" are undoubtedly predominantly Amerindian and should thus be incorporated into that population just as mulattoes are incorporated into the black population or as former U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell was incorporated into the Amerindian population as a perfect half-breed. Oftentimes, the only meaningful distinction between an "Indian" and a "mestizo" is whether Indian cultural background has been adopted or not.

 

[Angelhair]

"Mestizos" is an extremely imprecise calculation, as it does not seek to measure specific amounts of European/Amerindian admixture and consequently cannot separate between castizos and cholos. A substantial portion of the "mestizos" are undoubtedly predominantly Amerindian and should thus be incorporated into that population just as mulattoes are incorporated into the black population or as former U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell was incorporated into the Amerindian population as a perfect half-breed. Oftentimes, the only meaningful distinction between an "Indian" and a "mestizo" is whether Indian cultural background has been adopted or not.
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You are going about this 'scientifically'. It won't work. Not unless all these mestizos are willing to have DNA testing. The fact is that mestizos are of indian and spanish blood lines. Ten percent of Mexico's pop is 'pure' indian. The word 'castizo' is no longer applicable as nobody is genuinely anything. Cholos?? This term is NOW used to identify people of Mexican descent born outside of Mexico and who live with one foot in Mexico and the other in the USA and that term has also lost its original meaning. And what/why does all this matter in the 21st century????

 

[LilOlLady]

We, AMERICAN HYPOCRITES, couldn't care less if you die in misery in mexico as long as you are not here but we love to hide our true message behind this nation building bullshit.

We, AMERICAN HYPOCRITES, want you to stay in mexico to try to improve it but there is no chance in hell we'd follow our own advice were we in your shoes.

WE have been were they are and we did not up and leave the country, we fought long and hard to change thing for the better and are still doing it. How many of us do you see cutting and running to Mexico? 1 million Mexicans left this country and headed back to Mexico when the going got rought here. They are not staying and fighting with us.
Who is the friggin hypocrite?

 

[LilOlLady]

Mrs. Sheila

I hope your son who has Down Syndrome is doing well.

I never had the opportunity to tell you but I was heartbroken by your personal account on his illness and all the things you and your husband had to endure.

I have a 21 year old grand-daughter with Down Syndrome and feeling sorry for her has never been an options. She has not more illness than others and she brings more joy than any of the other. She may be retarded but not stupid.
Mrs. Sheila, do not pity your child but give him or her all your support and she will be the joy of you life.
Jose, go the hell. Stupity is worse then Down Syndrome.

 

[Angelhair]

Why are you sending Jose to hell????? He is, I think, sincere in expressing his feelings towards the son with Down Syndrome. Chill Lilolady - CHILL!