U.S. Air Attacks in Falluja Kill 15 in 24 Hours

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040926/ts_nm/iraq_dc

    U.S. Air Attacks in Falluja Kill 15 in 24 Hours


    By Fadil al-Badrani

    FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. aircraft blasted the rebel stronghold of Falluja for a third time in 24 hours in a concerted effort to hit militants loyal to guerrilla chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Washington's number one enemy in Iraq (news - web sites).


    Saturday night's strike was aimed at about 10 suspected militants meeting in the city center to plan operations, the U.S. military said. Eight people were killed and 17 wounded, Anas Ahmed, a doctor at a nearby hospital, said.


    The latest in what the military calls "precision strikes" raised the death toll for the series to 15 killed and 30 wounded, among them women and children, doctors said.


    On Sunday, doctors would not let a Reuters cameraman film the wounded as reporters have been allowed to do after previous strikes on Falluja. Residents would also not allow reporters near the site of the attack.


    "Multiple secondary explosions following the strike indicate the site was used by terrorists to store explosives and weapons," a military statement said.


    Falluja, about 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad, is home to some of Iraq's most hardened Sunni Muslim militants and has become a focal point of the anti-American insurgency.


    Zarqawi's group, Tawhid and Jihad, has claimed many of the car bombings and attacks in Iraq over the past year, including a string of kidnappings in which several of the hostages have been beheaded.


    U.S. forces tried to overrun Falluja earlier this year, but withdrew after weeks of furious fighting. Since then, they say it has become a magnet for foreign militants.


    "MIRACLES"


    The U.S. military believes the Jordanian-born Zarqawi, who has a $25 million price on his head, is holed up in Falluja and coordinating activities from there.


    His group seized two Americans and a Briton from their home in Baghdad 10 days ago, demanding the release of women prisoners from Iraqi jails in return for their lives.


    No women were freed and the two Americans, Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, were killed, with videos of their bloody executions posted on the Internet. Briton Kenneth Bigley is also threatened with death, although no deadline has been set.


    A two-man delegation of British Muslims arrived in Baghdad on Saturday to push for his release. They met Iraqi President Ghazi al-Yawar on Sunday and are expected to see leading Sunni Muslim clerics as well.


    "Our religion is one of compassion and love," Musharraf Hussain of the Muslim Council of Britain told reporters.


    "We believe in the power of prayer turning people's hearts ... miracles do happen," he said after arriving in Baghdad.


    Yusuf Islam, a British singer and song writer known as Cat Stevens until he became a Muslim, urged the militants to free Bigley in a letter sent to media by the British Embassy.


    "As a member of the Muslim Council I request you, in the name of Allah, the Rahman (Compassionate), to release the British citizen, Ken Bigley for the good name of our religion and according to the sayings of Allah in the glorious Qur'an," Islam said.


    SOLDIER JAILED FOR MURDER

    The U.S. military said a soldier based near Tikrit, in northern Iraq, had been jailed for 25 years for the murder in May this year of a member of the Iraqi National Guard.

    It said Specialist Federico Merida pleaded guilty to murder and making false statements during his court martial. Merida was also dishonorably discharged and reduced in rank to private.

    In a separate case last week, the U.S. military said two soldiers in Baghdad had been charged with premeditated murder in the wrongful deaths of three Iraqis, the latest of many charges brought against U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

    North of Baghdad, the U.S. military arrested a commander of the Iraqi National Guard in Baquba, a hotbed of insurgency. The military said on Sunday Lieutenant-General Talib Al Lahibi was detained on Thursday for associating with known insurgents.

    In Baghdad, a rocket landed in a busy shopping street in the city center, killing one person and wounding several others.
     
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    Yes I know there's no way we can leave Iraq now. We started it, by God we better finnish it. And yes I think this is a struggle of us against the terrorists, and we MUST win. And yes I think the majority of Iraqi's WANT us to keep helping them, and would like to see the terrorism and cold blooded killing in their country stopped...

    ... but I also think we need to stop playing frickin' PATTY CAKE with these sons a bitches, and start kicking some absolute serious ass! If we need to "restart" MAJOR MILITARY ACTIONS once again, then lets do it. This backing off, a car bomb goes off, we shoot a couple terrorists, someone gets beheaded, we blow up a couple houses, tit for tat crap has got to stop. If we're there for the duration, then lets make the duration as short as possible, and put OVERWHELMING FORCE back in action. Because it looks to me like these killer bastards like Zarkawi and his band can go on playing that game indefinitely.

    As a middle aged person, I realize that these things can drag on and on if major action isn't taken. I've seen it happen. And I don't think the public of today in America has got the back bone or the stomach to stick with it. They don't have a long enough attention span to see the major benefits of winning in Iraq, and if they listen to two faced, anti American liberals like john kerry, this war could become very unpopular fast. I think kerry is having an effect pounding away at President Bush on Iraq. His people have told him they smell blood, and told him to trash the President at every possible opportunity about the war.

    So if we're going to do this thing, we better get our asses in gear and just get the job DONE! Get the whole damn war machine back in action, and don't stop until we can say, "yes, it's safe here now".
     
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    Time to knock off the politically correct "precision strikes" and start carpet bombing places like Fallujah.
     
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    "but I also think we need to stop playing frickin' PATTY CAKE with these sons a bitches, and start kicking some absolute serious ass! If we need to "restart" MAJOR MILITARY ACTIONS once again, then lets do it. "

    I agree with you PR. It does not seem that our current military strategy in Iraq will result in winning the war against the terrorists. The cycle of beheadings and JDAMs is playing into the hands of the terrorists. Since the American Civil War, no conflict has been won without neutralizing the "civilians" that back up the enemy combatants. Fallujah, for example, must be controlled on the ground, block by block, house by house. Total war must be waged against the terrorists.
     
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    As much as I would like this all to be over if the US does all the "shock and awe" here, it will lessen the efforts made by Iraqis to secure thier own security. It's hard to be patient but in the long run the effect of allowing Iraqis to go at the pace that they can handle will make them appreciate what they have accomplished. Iraqi troops fighting for freedom need to be honored and rewarded as true patriots. I'm hoping this is the strategy that is being currently applied. Impatience and vengence may be costly to all involved.
     
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    I don't quite see it as impatient or vengeful dillo. I think if we started back in with major military actions, we'd beat back or kill enough terrorists to give us and the newly forming Iraqi military some much needed time to train and get them outfitted. I think the situation as it is, is we just keep "responding", and that's not going to "win" anything. We need to renew the fight with total agression, and make a goal as to what we want before we quit, and that would include controlling the borders, killing, capturing or nutralizing all terrorists, and the Iraqi military is able to wage it's own war. Because what we're doing there now looks a whole lot more like occupiers than liberators.

    Let's either act like we want to win this thing or get the fuck otta there. I don't need my grand children to be paying for this war.
     
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    Not to burst people's bubble, but you do realize that you are killing women and children when you bomb places?? You didn't actually think the bombs magically hit all the "terrorists" aka Iraqi citizens that hate us.

    Do the Iraqi citizens want us there? Maybe at first, before we bombed them, killing more innocent people than the "bad guys". But, come on, they hate us now, and we are in there purely due to an incompetant president who wanted to finish where his father left off.

    Suppose you live in an apartment with your family, and your insane landlord comes in your home and holds your family up at gun point. If the police came to your rescue by using a bazooka to kill the landlord, and accidently killed 2 or 3 or your family members in the process, would you really still want them?

    Its a no brainer, they hate us. And, what a shock when the fake administration that is established in Iraq are executed, overthrown when a chance arises. They are viewed, and probably accurately so, as puppets for the United States.
     
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    Ooooooooh Christ! Here we go again with another bleeding heart liberal.... :bang3:

    Lets all sit around and hold hands, and sing kume ba ya....

    Wars war dumb shit. You either win it or lose it. Nobody said it was pretty. And YES, the VAST MAJORITY of Iraq is HAPPIER THAN PIGS IN SHIT that we're there. Schools have opened, hospitals have opened, there's more electricity in the country than there was BEFORE WE GOT THERE, and they LIKE that! So don't give me your liberal talking points bull shit that they don't want us there. It isn't true shit for brains. The "TERRORISTS" don't want us there, but that is EXACTLY WHY WE ARE there. Get that through your thick liberal skull moron.
     
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    Congratulations. You have a keen grasp of the obvious.
     
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    Yep.

    You either fight a war to utterly win it, or don't fight it at all. Overwhelming force is the key, and we have it.

    Unfortunately, the liberals are waiting breathlessly right here and now for any story that can be told about an innocent bystander getting accidently iced by U.S. troops. The election is right around the corner, and it pisses me off that we're not fighting to win - but it's reality.

    After Bush is re-elected, the gloves will come back off. I hate it, you hate it, any sane person hates it, but we all know that the upcoming election is a large factor in how the battle is being waged right now.
     
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