Turkish army fires on PKK in Iraq

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    My opinion is if they want to kill terrorists, let 'em. Just so much less US troops have to worry about.
     
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    The trouble is, the Turks are the most untrustworthy of nations, they obviously see a way to expand and they will no doubt take it while we let them.I say drop a bomb on the bastards.
     
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    Bomb which bastards?:eusa_silenced:

    I agree where the Turks are concerned. They're as nationalistic as ever.
     
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    So.
    Until now there have been 3 bombing missions with different weapon plattforms included.

    General Staff has published video and photo materials of all 3 attacks.
    Detailed reports about death kills and so on, were released only for first attack on 16th December 2007, yet.
    Statistics for the 2 other attacks will be released also.

    From Army Homepage about attack on 16th December:
    http://www.tsk.mil.tr/10_ARSIV/10_1_Basin_Yayin_Faaliyetleri/10_1_Basin_Aciklamalari/2007/BA_39.html

    - 33 different Target groups
    - 3 command centres
    - 2 telecommunication centres
    - 9 logistic centres
    - 14 weapon depots
    - 10 anti-aircraft stations
    - 182 hideouts, holes, barracks
    - 150-175 dead terrorists (Dead terrorists in collapsed structures not included)

    If the statistics of the latest 2 attacks are released by General staff, i will tell you also about.
    But we can think, that about 500-1000 PKK-Terrorists have dies in all 3 attacks and most of their structures in North-Iraq is history.
    As always stated by relevant institutions in Turkey (Prime-Ministry, Presidency, General Staff) fight is going on.

    In next days, Israel will deliver further Heron UAV's on lease agreement, as indigeniously developed Gözcü UAV is entering into service in 2009, which is too late.
    Israeli UAVs headed soon to Turkey
    http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iyJj49erbTC0lCTqtQvO9bTAJ5HQ

    And finally within 3 months, the first of our miltary satellite is in space:
    Turkey to rely on own satellite system to gather intelligence
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/23/content_7299836.htm
    In 3 months it must be about spring in this region for ground operations.
    As i said somewhere before, i expect another distance attacks for a while. The whole thing is not over yet.
     
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    Attacks of 16th December
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    Attacks of 22th December
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    when i find video-material on youtube for 3rd attack (26th December), i will post also, if you are interested.
     
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    So canavar what has the deaths of a 1000 Kurds accomplished (if in fact that has actually happened, and if in fact they were actually PKK members), except guarantee the hatred of the Kurds and a continuation of the war? Obviously, that degree of damage is not going to knock the PKK out. Turkey is not occupying any ground. So what exactly is being accomplished, except the mollification of people like you?
     
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    1000 is just a subjective prediction, as it is not based on facts. Only 1st attack reports have been released. But what is confirmed by MIT (CIA of Republic)) and JITEM (CIA of Army) is that there are 3.500 PKK terrorists in Northern-Iraq.
    No matter what you say, the attacks are succesfull, not only by decimateing these Terrorists, but by destroying their infrastructure.
    The point, you do not see is, that PKK does only have North-Iraq as a base zone.
    No other neighbour will harbour PKK and risk war with Turkey over it, as new harbouring country is not Occupied-Managed by USA.
    We are now in the process of kicking PKK out of this area, and they have nowhere to leave. Neither Iran nor Syria.

    Kurds? Yes, but terrorist Kurds. Like Arabs and Arab terrorist Al-Qaeda.
    Obviously the fight against the PKK is going on and you are right, that so far Turkey is not occupying any ground. We currently bomb them from distance.
    But as i said you weeks ago you base your judgement on static analysis, thinking of no other move is being made.
    Since our last conversation, we distance-bombed them 2 times more. What i predicted back then and what is militarily absolute logic.
    It is also absolute logic, that after the phase of distance-bombing there will be ground units used, and at the front of them war-helicopters and transport-helicopters going into the area and clean the rest of the shit.
    We do not have an aim of makeing PKK "The Lighthouse of democracy" or bring them "Democarcy". We bring them death or jail. And this time, there is nowhere to flee. Everyone now cooperates from Syria over Iran to USA in this subject with Turkey. The only one who is not cooperating is local entity in North-Iraq which PKK is on their territory.
    But as we say in Turkey, our talking partner is central government in Bagdad and as such logically the USA. Now all those talk shit of negotiation and coordination is over and we are in the phase of military exercising. On the end of this path lies total destruction of PKK and retracking of Turkey-USA relations, which has signal effect to friend and foes in the region, and effects a very wide range of interests from Afghanistan to US "redeployment" back to USA via Turkey.
    Who the absolute looser in all this is and awakeing in reality out of "Alice-in-Wonderland"-dream, is the megalomaniac Barzani and Talabani.
     
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    Y'know dude ... it's a shame. We're on Turkey's side in this until YOU open you mouth. You do your nation a grave disservice talking all your shit.
     
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    That's right. No one in America supports PKK terrorists. But I fail to see what three bombing raids (in what? a month?) has accomplished. Pecking at the PKK will just prolong the war. A few F-16s are not going to take out the PKK. They have gone to ground and will bide their time before they strike again. From here, the operations against the PKK looks like a Turk government public relations campaign. You mentioned something about weather. What is this 1915? If your army is going to go after the PKK with ground troops and helicopters what are you waiting for? It may be that Ankara does not think that a ground campaign would be easy or offer a clear chance of success. If it is true that there are just 3500 PKK fighters, then why would they not just melt back into the general Kurd population when Turk ground troops came across the border? No, taking out the PKK will be quite difficult. Perhaps the only way to really take out the PKK is through negotiation.
     

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