Turkey, Iran Undertake Joint Military Offensive Against Kurdish Rebels

[JStone]

Israel..would..however..without the US...cease to exist.

Warren Buffett

We believe generally in the United States, we believe in ourselves and what a young country can achieve. Israel, since 1948, now a major factor in commerce and in the world. It's a smaller replica of what has been accomplished here and I think Americans admire that. They feel good about societies that are on the move.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaN_2nFqFtI]Warren Buffet Supports the U.S.-Israel Relationship - YouTube[/ame]

Bill Gates...

Israel is by many measures the country, relative to its population, that's done the most to contribute to the technology revolution

How Israel Saved Intel
Business & Technology | How Israel saved Intel | Seattle Times Newspaper

Microsoft CEO: Microsoft Almost As Israeli As American
Microsoft CEO, in Herzliya: Our company almost as Israeli as American - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Wharton School of Business...

Despite--or possibly because of--its small size and geopolitical isolation, Israel has developed a global reputation for its cutting-edge high-tech industry.

Israel today has the second largest number of start-ups in the world, after the US, and the largest number of NASDAQ-listed companies outside North America.

"Innovation, together with the engineering excellence and the very quick to market production of high-quality products, really makes Israel shine," says Zach Weisfeld, Microsoft Israel Director of Business Development and Strategy.

Israel has become one of Microsoft's three strategic global development centers, responsible for much of the new technology which Microsoft is now known for, such as its anti-virus software.
Israel and the Innovative Impulse - Knowledge@Wharton

Massachussets Institute of Technology [MIT]...

As a world leader in science and technology, Israel excels in such areas as genetics, medicine, agriculture, computer sciences, electronics, optics, and engineering. Scientists at Israeli universities such as Bar Ilan University, Ben Gurion University, Haifa University, Hebrew University, The Technion--Israel Institute of Technology, Tel Aviv University and the Weizmann Institute of Science are pioneers in areas such as stem cell-based tissue engineering, nanotechnology, high-resolution electron microscopy, and solar energy. Israeli companies have developed such diverse products as the first anti-virus package, technologies that allow you to leave voice mail on mobile phones, and stents that save lives by keeping the arteries to the heart open.
MISTI MIT-Israel

[/quote]

Wall Street Journal

There are more new innovative ideas coming out of Israel than there are out in Silicon Valley right now. And it doesn't slow during economic downturns." The authors of "Start-Up Nation," Dan Senor and Saul Singer, are quoting an executive at British Telecom, but they could just as easily be quoting an executive at Intel, which last year opened a $3.5 billion factory in Kiryat Gat, an hour south of Tel Aviv, to make sophisticated 45-nanometer chips; or Warren Buffett, who in 2006 paid $4 billion for four-fifths of an Israeli firm that makes high-tech cutting tools for cars and planes; or John Chambers, Cisco's chief executive, who has bought nine Israeli start-ups; or Steve Ballmer, who calls Microsoft "as much an Israeli company as an American company" because of the importance of its Israeli technologists. "Google, Cisco, Microsoft, Intel, eBay . . . ," says one of eBay's executives. "The best-kept secret is that we all live and die by the work of our Israeli teams."

 

[earlycuyler]

We've been talking about the upcoming genocide of the Kurds by Turkey, Iran and Iraq.

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey

Education

In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish.[1] The Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. Several attempts at opening Kurdish instruction centers were stopped on technical grounds, such as wrong dimensions of doors. An experiment at running Kurdish-language schools was wound up in 2004 because of an apparent lack of interest.

Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities, but in reality there are no such courses on offer.

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Assimilation​

Due to the large number of Turkish Kurds, successive governments have viewed the expression of a Kurdish identity as a potential threat to Turkish unity, a feeling that has been compounded since the armed rebellion initiated by the PKK in 1984. One of the main accusations of cultural assimilation relates to the state's historic suppression of the Kurdish language. Kurdish publications created throughout the 1960s and 1970s were shut down under various legal pretexts.[4] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in government institutions.[5]

US Congressman Bob Filner spoke of a "cultural genocide", stressing that "a way of life known as Kurdish is disappearing at an alarming rate".[6] Mark Levene suggests that the genocidal practices were not limited to cultural genocide, and that the events of the late 19th century continued until 1990.[7]

Certain academics have claimed that successive Turkish governments adopted a sustained genocide program against Kurds, aimed at their assimilation.[8] The genocide hypothesis remains, however, a minority view among historians, and is not endorsed by any nation or major organisation. Desmond Fernandes, a Senior Lecturer at De Montfort University, breaks the policy of the Turkish authorities into the following categories:[9]

1. Forced assimilation program, which involved, among other things, a ban of the Kurdish language, and the forced relocation of Kurds to non-Kurdish areas of Turkey.
2. The banning of any organizations opposed to category one.
3. The violent repression of any Kurdish resistance.

The accepted genocide of Kurds in Turkey

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Since the Armenian genocide, Turkey has done very well to hide and disguise its dark history from the international community. But a shady past rarely dawns a bright future.

Instead, Turkey is re-branding itself with Europe-friendly terms to essentially get rid of what it has always wanted to be rid of. Turkey’s tidy up of its language: words with a distinct Kurdish origin wiped out and replaced. Indeed, anything that is not strictly Turkish has been linked to “terrorism” – a trigger word guaranteed to win the sympathies of the international community.

The Turkish constitution does not recognise Kurds in Turkey, and so often labels them as terrorists, providing a convenient scapegoat for military uprisings and other political issues. Thus, “terrorist” becomes a synonym for Kurds.

Turkey frequently argues that the PKK is a terrorist organisation; hence all Kurdish organisations are banned for what they may imply.

Turkey is desperately in need of an imaginary threat to its “national security”, “territorial integrity” and “sovereignty”, achieved by “separatist/terrorist” Kurds. The scale of the suffering Kurds and destruction of Kurdish homeland does not fit into any “terrorist” definition. In 1999, the death toll of Kurds killed in Turkish military operations increased to over 40,000. According to the figures published by Turkey’s own Parliament, 6,000 Kurdish villages were systematically evacuated of all inhabitants and 3,000,000 Kurds have been displaced. This sounds like an elimination of a people, a culture and a homeland.

KurdishMedia.com: News about Kurds and Kurdistan

Wonder how it will look for the kurds after the U.S. pulls out ?

 

[High_Gravity]

We've been talking about the upcoming genocide of the Kurds by Turkey, Iran and Iraq.

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey

​

Since the Armenian genocide, Turkey has done very well to hide and disguise its dark history from the international community. But a shady past rarely dawns a bright future.

Instead, Turkey is re-branding itself with Europe-friendly terms to essentially get rid of what it has always wanted to be rid of. Turkey’s tidy up of its language: words with a distinct Kurdish origin wiped out and replaced. Indeed, anything that is not strictly Turkish has been linked to “terrorism” – a trigger word guaranteed to win the sympathies of the international community.

The Turkish constitution does not recognise Kurds in Turkey, and so often labels them as terrorists, providing a convenient scapegoat for military uprisings and other political issues. Thus, “terrorist” becomes a synonym for Kurds.

Turkey frequently argues that the PKK is a terrorist organisation; hence all Kurdish organisations are banned for what they may imply.

Turkey is desperately in need of an imaginary threat to its “national security”, “territorial integrity” and “sovereignty”, achieved by “separatist/terrorist” Kurds. The scale of the suffering Kurds and destruction of Kurdish homeland does not fit into any “terrorist” definition. In 1999, the death toll of Kurds killed in Turkish military operations increased to over 40,000. According to the figures published by Turkey’s own Parliament, 6,000 Kurdish villages were systematically evacuated of all inhabitants and 3,000,000 Kurds have been displaced. This sounds like an elimination of a people, a culture and a homeland.

KurdishMedia.com: News about Kurds and Kurdistan

Wonder how it will look for the kurds after the U.S. pulls out ?

It will look like shit, the Kurds have a strong capable force to defend themselves but not against both Turkey and Irans Militaries, if Syria wasn't going through an uprising they would want in on this too.

 

[ekrem]

Nothing "so ?".
Whilst you're singing "genocide on Kurds", we have made North-Iraq an extension of Turkish economy by soft-power means.
This perfectly illustrates what I said in previous post, that it really doesn't matter what you think or what kind of propaganda you write.

I don't see anyone posting propoganda here but you, trying to cover up a genocide attempt with nice words and window dressing.

What propaganda? The only one making propaganda is you.
Building, financing and operating a University is called "genocide" these days?
How much Universities has USA built in Iraq?


Ishik University in Erbil (KRG) was built by Turks and is operated by Turkish private investment.
Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) - Barzani and Turkish MPs attend the opening of Ishik University in Erbil

Turkish FM in Erbil at its opening:

 

[JStone]

Nothing "so ?".
Whilst you're singing "genocide on Kurds", we have made North-Iraq an extension of Turkish economy by soft-power means.
This perfectly illustrates what I said in previous post, that it really doesn't matter what you think or what kind of propaganda you write.

I don't see anyone posting propoganda here but you, trying to cover up a genocide attempt with nice words and window dressing.

What propaganda? The only one making propaganda is you.
Building, financing and operating a University is called "genocide" these days?
How much Universities has USA built in Iraq?


Ishik University in Erbil (KRG) was built by Turks and is operated by Turkish private investment.
Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) - Barzani and Turkish MPs attend the opening of Ishik University in Erbil

Turkish FM in Erbil at its opening:

Moses rules. Allah is a loser.

Israel's prestigious Weizmann Institute of Science is the best academic institution to work for outside the US, according to Scientist magazine’s annual survey of the “best places to work in academia”. It is up from second place in 2010 and 2009.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk80WA0_2BQ]Israel's Weizmann Institute Named Best Research Institute Outside the U.S. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ekrem]

@Jstone
How much of these science institutes have you build in Iraq for Kurds?
We have built 1 university and 14 schools and colleges for the Kurds in Iraq and operate them with our own money.

 

[JStone]

@Jstone
How much of these science institutes have you build in Iraq for Kurds?
We have built 1 university and 14 schools and colleges for the Kurds in Iraq and operate them with our own money.

They teach rocket science in Turkish universities: How to build rockets and fire them into Israel.

 

[ekrem]

They teach rocket science in Turkish universities: How to build rockets and fire them into Israel.

At the end of the day, we're biggest investor in the non-oil-sector of Iraq and we control their water.
Iraq and its regional administrations don't have the power to host elements which attack its 2 biggest neigbors (Iran, Turkey), therefore this situation is temporary.

 

[ekrem]

Wonder how it will look for the kurds after the U.S. pulls out ?

That depends mainly on their own actions.

 

[JStone]

They teach rocket science in Turkish universities: How to build rockets and fire them into Israel.

At the end of the day, we're biggest investor in the non-oil-sector of Iraq and we control their water.
Iraq and its regional administrations don't have the power to host elements which attack its 2 biggest neigbors (Iran, Turkey), therefore this situation is temporary.

At the end of the day, Turkey is a third-rate islamic shithole.

 

[High_Gravity]

Turkey: Roadside Bomb Reportedly Kills At Least Seven

ANKARA, Turkey — A roadside blast killed five policemen and three civilians, including a 4-year-old girl, in Turkey's southeast on Tuesday, an official said.

A police vehicle appears to have been the target for the attack in the town of Guroymak in Bitlis province, while the civilians were traveling in a truck behind, said provincial Gov. Nurettin Yilmaz.

The area has seen a spike in attacks by suspected Kurdish rebels seeking greater autonomy in Turkey, killing dozens of members of the country's security forces and at least 18 civilians since mid-July.

Since 1984, the conflict has killed tens of thousands of people.

Tuesday's attack came hours after police rounded up dozens of alleged Kurdish rebel supporters around the country.

Yilmaz said the civilian casualties were all from the same family, including the 4-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy. Three other people were wounded in the explosion, he said.

Turkey: Roadside Bomb Reportedly Kills At Least Seven

 

[ekrem]

2 year old female baby among the 8 dead.
3 people injured.
http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/bitli...em/gundemdetay/18.10.2011/1452263/default.htm

 

[JStone]

So, net net less than 1.5 billion Muslims, right?

 

[High_Gravity]

Turkey: Iraq Incursion After Kurdish Rebels Attack Soldiers

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish soldiers, air force bombers and helicopter gunships launched an incursion into northern Iraq on Wednesday, hours after Kurdish rebels killed 24 soldiers and wounded 18 in attacks along the border.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan canceled a visit to Kazakhstan and held a nationally televised news conference to announce that Turkey had launched the "hot pursuit" operation, wording that officials often use to describe cross-border offensives in northern Iraq.

"We will never bow to any attack from inside or outside Turkey," he said.

Turkey's chief of the military and the interior and defense ministers rushed to the border area to oversee the anti-rebel attacks, and the United States and NATO both issued statements supporting the offensive, the largest in more than three years.

NTV television said Turkish troops have gone some 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) into Iraq and that helicopters were ferrying commandos across the border. Dogan news agency said more than 20 Kurdish rebels were killed in ensuing clashes, but did not provide a breakdown. Neither report identified its sources.

The incursion for now appears to be limited in scope. Turkey last staged a major ground offensive against Iraq in early 2008.

Wednesday's offensive began hours after the rebels, who are fighting for autonomy in Turkey's southeast, staged simultaneous attacks on military outposts and police stations near the border towns of Cukurca and Yuksekova.

The Interior Ministry first said 26 soldiers were killed and 22 wounded, but Erdogan corrected those figures to 24 dead and 18 wounded, without explaining the discrepancy. It was the deadliest Kurdish rebel attack against Turkey's military since the 1990s.

Kurdish rebel group the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, said fighting was taking place in two separate areas close to the mountainous Iraqi-Turkish border.

"We have been clashing with the Turkish forces in two areas since around 3 a.m. today," Dostdar Hamo, a spokesman for the rebel group in northern Iraq, told The Associated Press by telephone.

In Baghdad, an Iraqi government spokesman was not immediately available for comment.

Turkey asked Iraq last week to move against rebel bases in northern Iraq, saying "its "patience is running out" in the face of rebel attacks directed at Turkey from Iraqi soil.

"No one should forget that those who make us suffer this pain will be made to suffer even stronger," President Abdullah Gul told reporters Wednesday. "They will see that the vengeance for these attacks will be immense and many times stronger."

A pro-Kurdish party, who is accused by authorities of links to the Kurdish rebel group, called on both the government and the rebels to end the fighting.

"Turkey's most urgent need is peace," the Peace and Democracy Party said. "We call on both the government and the PKK to immediately halt the war, without losing a second."

Dogan news agency said around 200 Kurdish rebels were believed to have participated in the attacks Wednesday.

Turkish warplanes and artillery units, positioned just inside Turkey, struck at the Kurdish rebel bases across the border in response, NTV said.

The rebels have lately intensified their attacks in the country's Kurdish-dominated southeast, killing dozens of members of the country's security force and at least 18 civilians since mid-July.

On Tuesday, a roadside bomb blast killed five policemen and three civilians, including a 4-year-old girl. Wednesday's rebel attack sparked public outrage with many people hanging red and white Turkish flags out of windows and balconies in Ankara, the Turkish capital.

A group of angry Turkish veterans of the 27-year-old Kurdish conflict attempted to storm the office of the prime minister, shouting "martyrs never die!"

The conflict has killed tens of thousands of people since 1984 as Kurdish politicians pushed for greater cultural and political rights for Kurds, who make up around 20 percent of Turkey's 74 million people, such as the right to education in the mother tongue – a demand that the Turkish government fears could deepen the ethnic divide in the country.

The government has taken steps toward wider Kurdish-language education by allowing Kurdish-language institutes and private Kurdish courses as well as Kurdish television broadcasts. But it won't permit lower-level education in Kurdish.

The European Union, which Turkey is striving to join, has pushed the Turkish government to grant more rights to the Kurds. But EU countries also have urged Kurdish lawmakers to distance themselves from the PKK, which is considered a terrorist group by the United States and the EU.

Turkey: Iraq Incursion After Kurdish Rebels Attack Soldiers

 

[kirkuki]

Besides the University we've also built 14 schools within KRG which are operated by Turkish foundations.

yeah and kurds study in them in kurdish ? so ?? you just build them get paid and sent off on your way you dont "own" nothing.

PM Erdogan and clan-leader Barzani open Erbil International Airport, which was built by Turkish companies

show some respect you turd , he is an elected president of kurdistan

Feza Educational Institutions, with which Ishik schools are affiliated, have 20 schools in Dohuk, Arbil, Sulaimaniya, Soran, Halabja, Mosul, Kirkuk, Baghdad and Ramadi and a university in Arbil. Of these schools, 14 are under the jurisdiction of the Kurdistan Regional Government.

KRG is well aware of your dirty tactics and we are only sending turkmeni to study at these colleges cos when they graduate they are all moving to turkey to find jobs so well done please clean kurdistan of your turk-men.

We bring them investments and education.
Despite this some usmb.com "I've visited that place twice"-people still make baseless claims, equating the PKK/PJAK with Kurdish people.

you are paid to do our labour then sent off back to your place, and PKK are well respected group on KRG , maybe not by the government but the people very much is .

One of these schools is Bilkent College.
It is built, financed and operated by Bilkent University of Ankara, which is one of best education centers in Turkey.

yeah one out of 5000 , lol , no one studies there but turk-men , pls keeping taking them to turkey cos they are not allowed to work at our government official jobs as you need to be speaking writing and reading in kurdish .

 

[kirkuki]

American University - Silemani - New Campus

kurdistan uni - Erbil

Silemani uni - Sulaimani

Slemani University (older one)

International School of Choueifat - Erbil

Nawroz University - Duhok

British Royal University

University of Koya

Kirkuk University

new campus U/C

Hawler Medical University

College of Agriculture - Silemani

Foundation stone laid for an international private University

It will be called the "international University" (Zankoi Jihan) in Slemani , and Kurdistan PM Barham Saleh said "the University will be a private one and the cost of the project will be $156 Million , i hope in we will also open similar Universities in the cities of Kirkuk and Duhok".

Soran University u/c

Welcome to Hewa Group Web Site

 

[High_Gravity]

Kirkuki I am assuming you are Kurdish? ekrem is going to shit his pants when he sees your posts, good work.

 

[kirkuki]

yes dear born and raised , and from the kurdish city of Kirkuk which the turks proclaim as theirs !? lol .

 

[High_Gravity]

yes dear born and raised , and from the kurdish city of Kirkuk which the turks proclaim as theirs !? lol .

I support an independent country of Kurdistan.

 

[dilloduck]

Which Kurds?

Barzani calls on PKK, PJAK to end attacks from Iraqi soil

Iraqi Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani urged the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and its Iranian wing the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK) to end attacks on Turkish and Iranian targets from Iraqi bases.

"We are in a difficult situation because there are two countries [Iran and Turkey] telling us to control our borders in order to avoid problems," Barzani said on Tuesday, speaking at a meeting with representatives of the Iraqi Kurdish administration to foreign countries. "But we are afraid to send forces to the borders for fear of a Kurdish-Kurdish war," he continued.

"The PKK and the PJAK are not taking the situation in the Kurdish region into consideration," Barzani said. "I call on the two sides to abandon the idea of achieving their rights via military means."

Just like the USA was attacked from Afghanistan, so are Iran and Turkey attacked from terrorist elements within North-Iraq.
It is the duty of the authorities in those regions to bring the responsible people to justice.
If they don't, they are the responsible ones when the violence comes to them.

You have to get permission from the UN first. Do they have weapons of mass destruction ?? hmmm?????