Turkey, Iran Undertake Joint Military Offensive Against Kurdish Rebels

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/world/middleeast/05turkey.html?pagewanted=all

Resurgent Turkey Flexes Its Muscles Around Iraq

While the United States invaded and occupied Iraq, losing more than 4,400 troops there, Turkey now exerts what may prove a more lasting legacy — so-called soft power, the assertion of influence through culture, education and business. (...)
On the road from Erbil to Baghdad, its pop culture is everywhere.


Iraqis waited outside the Turkish Consulate in Erbil to obtain visas to visit Turkey.
Travel requirements have been lifted and the consulate issues as many as 300 visas a day.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/world/middleeast/05turkey.html?pagewanted=all

Resurgent Turkey Flexes Its Muscles Around Iraq

While the United States invaded and occupied Iraq, losing more than 4,400 troops there, Turkey now exerts what may prove a more lasting legacy — so-called soft power, the assertion of influence through culture, education and business. (...)
On the road from Erbil to Baghdad, its pop culture is everywhere.


Iraqis waited outside the Turkish Consulate in Erbil to obtain visas to visit Turkey.
Travel requirements have been lifted and the consulate issues as many as 300 visas a day.

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I thought the Iraqis couldn't stand the Turks?
 
West of KRG are Nineveh province and Mossul. In these regions there was formed the Al-Hadba movement (Sunnite Arabs) and they emerged as election winner in last elections.
It is financed by Turkey as Wikileaks has revealed.

A politician in Mosul who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue (...) described the Turkish consul in Mosul as "the true governor of Mosul,"
KurdishGlobe- Turkey meddles in Mosul province

More about developments in former Ottoman vilayet of Mosul (North-Iraq).
Turkey has also been vital to the assembly of Sunni-oriented political coalitions in Iraq. These include the Arab nationalist Al-Hadba bloc, which won local elections in Iraq’s northern province of Ninewa in January 2009, and Turkey’s encouragement to Arab nationalist, neo-Ba’athist, Sunni Islamist, and ethnic Turkoman elements in the Iraqiyya slate to contest the 2010 national elections together under the leadership of the secular Shiite Ayad Allawi.

In this vein, Iraqi nationalists note that through the combination of its opening with the KRG, its ties with ethnic Turkoman in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Tal Afar, and its role in stitching together the Arab nationalist bloc of Al-Hadba in Ninewa province, Turkey now has close ties, and in some cases client relationships, with the major political actors in the Iraqi provinces that make up the historical Ottoman vilayet (state) of Mosul.

To complete the circle, though enjoying the benefits of transformed relations with Ankara, some Kurdish politicians worry that Ankara seeks to use economic dependence to turn the Kurdistan region into a Turkish vassal.
http://www.usip.org/files/resources/Turkish_Iranian_Competition.pdf



The Kurdish clan-leader Barzani of North-East Iraq awaiting the Turkish PM's arrival
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Which Kurds?

Barzani calls on PKK, PJAK to end attacks from Iraqi soil

Iraqi Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani urged the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and its Iranian wing the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK) to end attacks on Turkish and Iranian targets from Iraqi bases.

"We are in a difficult situation because there are two countries [Iran and Turkey] telling us to control our borders in order to avoid problems," Barzani said on Tuesday, speaking at a meeting with representatives of the Iraqi Kurdish administration to foreign countries. "But we are afraid to send forces to the borders for fear of a Kurdish-Kurdish war," he continued.

"The PKK and the PJAK are not taking the situation in the Kurdish region into consideration," Barzani said. "I call on the two sides to abandon the idea of achieving their rights via military means."


Just like the USA was attacked from Afghanistan, so are Iran and Turkey attacked from terrorist elements within North-Iraq.
It is the duty of the authorities in those regions to bring the responsible people to justice.
If they don't, they are the responsible ones when the violence comes to them.

If you think it's good for Turkey and iran to invade Iraq with the intention of killing kurdish women and children you're crazy, and this kind of stuff will defiantly hurt Obama he's clueless... He should be involved in brokering some kind of peace deal there instead of siding with the wack jobs[

When in Rome Jroc. When in Rome...

Nobody wants the Kurds, the Iraqi government is more than happy to let the Iranians and Turks run wild in Northern Iraq as long as they are just killing Kurds, if Syria didn't have their own turmoil going on they would be in on this operation too. Its also ironic this joint Iranian/Turkish operation didn't start until the US started drawing down their forces in Iraq.

It's not hard to see the build up. Some post inconsequential (to war and it's effects, that is) information to Turkey's future Genocide, but they continue to be held up to the reality of their position by members here.


"That" being Turkey is planning to do to the Kurds exactly what they did to the Armenians.
 
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Between 1400 and 2000 Turkish troops have been stationed in bases in northern Iraq since the 1990s.
Turkish artillery and air units regularly strike KGK/PKK camps and personnel movements in thinly inhabited areas of northern Iraq.

This is no man's land where no-one is exerting authority besides PKK/PJAK, from where they stage attacks into both Iran and Turkey.
We don't drop bombs on population centers like Israel did in Gaza-City.
And we're also not dumb enough to bomb our own investments in North-Iraq, from Universities/Schools over Shopping-Malls to Pipelines.
 
Which Kurds?




Just like the USA was attacked from Afghanistan, so are Iran and Turkey attacked from terrorist elements within North-Iraq.
It is the duty of the authorities in those regions to bring the responsible people to justice.
If they don't, they are the responsible ones when the violence comes to them.

If you think it's good for Turkey and iran to invade Iraq with the intention of killing kurdish women and children you're crazy, and this kind of stuff will defiantly hurt Obama he's clueless... He should be involved in brokering some kind of peace deal there instead of siding with the wack jobs[

When in Rome Jroc. When in Rome...

Nobody wants the Kurds, the Iraqi government is more than happy to let the Iranians and Turks run wild in Northern Iraq as long as they are just killing Kurds, if Syria didn't have their own turmoil going on they would be in on this operation too. Its also ironic this joint Iranian/Turkish operation didn't start until the US started drawing down their forces in Iraq.

It's not hard to see the build up. Some post inconsequential (to war and it's effects, that is) information to Turkey's future Genocide, but they continue to be held up to the reality of their position by members here.


"That" being Turkey is planning to do to the Kurds exactly what they did to the Armenians.

Thats pretty much what I see happening except they are using nicer words and keeping it quiet.
 
Obama he's clueless... He should be involved in brokering some kind of peace deal there instead of siding with the wack jobs

USA can lead by example and broker itself a "peace-deal" with Al-Kaida.
 
If you think it's good for Turkey and iran to invade Iraq with the intention of killing kurdish women and children you're crazy, and this kind of stuff will defiantly hurt Obama he's clueless... He should be involved in brokering some kind of peace deal there instead of siding with the wack jobs[

When in Rome Jroc. When in Rome...

Nobody wants the Kurds, the Iraqi government is more than happy to let the Iranians and Turks run wild in Northern Iraq as long as they are just killing Kurds, if Syria didn't have their own turmoil going on they would be in on this operation too. Its also ironic this joint Iranian/Turkish operation didn't start until the US started drawing down their forces in Iraq.

It's not hard to see the build up. Some post inconsequential (to war and it's effects, that is) information to Turkey's future Genocide, but they continue to be held up to the reality of their position by members here.


"That" being Turkey is planning to do to the Kurds exactly what they did to the Armenians.

Thats pretty much what I see happening except they are using nicer words and keeping it quiet.

And running around pointing fingers all over while they set this Genocide up...

Like they did when the Turk/Ottoman Empire dissolved. Watch and see what they do when the war is taken up.
 
When in Rome Jroc. When in Rome...



It's not hard to see the build up. Some post inconsequential (to war and it's effects, that is) information to Turkey's future Genocide, but they continue to be held up to the reality of their position by members here.


"That" being Turkey is planning to do to the Kurds exactly what they did to the Armenians.

Thats pretty much what I see happening except they are using nicer words and keeping it quiet.

And running around pointing fingers all over while they set this Genocide up...

Like they did when the Turk/Ottoman Empire dissolved. Watch and see what they do when the war is taken up.

The world seems ok with it as long as they keep using nice words and putting make up on it.
 
You can continue your propaganda, but it is basically for nothing as we don't really need good PR or lobby efforts in far distant countries like the USA.
So you can think and write whatever you want, it won't change ascendance of Turkey.

At the end of the day, we only need good society-to-society relations with countries where we want to have influence.
Be it in Balkans, M.East, N.Africa, C.Asia we have a receptive audience and very friendly resonance. That's all what counts.
 
You can continue your propaganda, but it is basically for nothing as we don't really need good PR or lobby efforts in far distant countries like the USA.
So you can think and write whatever you want, it won't change ascendance of Turkey.

At the end of the day, we only need good society-to-society relations with countries where we want to have influence.
Be it in Balkans, M.East, N.Africa, C.Asia we have a receptive audience and very friendly resonance. That's all what counts.

So?
 
Nothing "so ?".
Whilst you're singing "genocide on Kurds", we have made North-Iraq an extension of Turkish economy by soft-power means.
This perfectly illustrates what I said in previous post, that it really doesn't matter what you think or what kind of propaganda you write.
 
You can continue your propaganda, but it is basically for nothing as we don't really need good PR or lobby efforts in far distant countries like the USA.
So you can think and write whatever you want, it won't change ascendance of Turkey.

At the end of the day, we only need good society-to-society relations with countries where we want to have influence.
Be it in Balkans, M.East, N.Africa, C.Asia we have a receptive audience and very friendly resonance. That's all what counts.

:lol:Please...Without the U.S. Turkey would still be a shitwhole. Get over yourself, with the leadership you have there Turkey isn't going anywhere but back into the backards world of failed muslim society
 
:lol:Please...Without the U.S. Turkey would still be a shitwhole. Get over yourself, with the leadership you have there Turkey isn't going anywhere but back into the backards world of failed muslim society

Your (Israel) country's history begins with some dude sitting on a desk with a pencil and a drawing ruler in its hand.
If the USA and Germany wouldn't have transferred the money they have, you'd be basically what your kinsmen GHook93 describes as "sand ******".

www.state.gov
The present close relationship began with the agreement of July 12, 1947, which implemented the Truman Doctrine.
As part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance, the United States has loaned and granted Turkey more than $12.5 billion in economic aid and more than $14 billion in military assistance.

For every $ we've received from USA, we've spent several more out of our own economy to contribute to the goal of Soviet containment.
We even let the USA station Jupiter missiles in Turkey, risking nuclear retaliation from Soviets.
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides that the USA has relied on Turkey's status of a security-exporter - be it in Korea, Somalia, Afghanistan etc..
And till today we grant the USA safe and free usage of our military facilities for its logistical operations like Incirlik

70 percent of U.S. materiel flowing through or over Incirlik on its way to Iraq and Afghanistan (New York Times, October 12)
The Jamestown Foundation: single[tt_news]=4619


So, your statement, that Turkey would be a shithole without USA is totally bullshit given the relatively small amount of money Turkey has received and what Turkey itself has contributed to NATO, money and material wise.
 
Video is produced by the Bundeswehr (German Army) during the founding years of the Bundeswehr.
The scenery is joined Italian-Greek-Turkish war-games in Turkey where Bundeswehr visited as inspector.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXoAlrtvQnA]Die Türkei - Wächter am Bosporus - YouTube[/ame]

During Cold War the Airforces of Italy, Greece and Turkey were tasked with the protection of what today is called the US's 6th fleet from Soviet bombers.
The 6th fleet was stationed in the Mediterranean and had nuclear strike capability.
The Navies of the 3 countries were tasked to protect the 6th fleet.

NATO's Southern High Command of Land Forces consisted of 39 Battle Tank Divisions.
Greece contributed 8 Battle Tank divisions, Italy 13 Divisions and Turkey 18 divisions for Soviet containment and in worst-case scenario for deployment on battlefield.
 
Nothing "so ?".
Whilst you're singing "genocide on Kurds", we have made North-Iraq an extension of Turkish economy by soft-power means.
This perfectly illustrates what I said in previous post, that it really doesn't matter what you think or what kind of propaganda you write.

I don't see anyone posting propoganda here but you, trying to cover up a genocide attempt with nice words and window dressing.
 
You can continue your propaganda, but it is basically for nothing as we don't really need good PR or lobby efforts in far distant countries like the USA.
So you can think and write whatever you want, it won't change ascendance of Turkey.

At the end of the day, we only need good society-to-society relations with countries where we want to have influence.
Be it in Balkans, M.East, N.Africa, C.Asia we have a receptive audience and very friendly resonance. That's all what counts.

:lol:Please...Without the U.S. Turkey would still be a shitwhole. Get over yourself, with the leadership you have there Turkey isn't going anywhere but back into the backards world of failed muslim society

It absolutely would not.

Israel..would..however..without the US...cease to exist.
 

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