Trumps Tarriffs are causing him grief with promoting freedom and democracy

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  1. Grampa Murked U
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    China and Hong Kong are on the verge of descending into madness.
    It is CRYSTAL CLEAR to me which side we should be backing but because Trump is in the midst of trade negotiations he is seemingly incapable of promoting democracy without crashing his negotiations.
    For the first time in his presidency he has been tripped up by his own hurdle.
    I can not get behind calling the leader of China a great man as he amasses military equipment and personnel to oppose people who are demanding freedom.
    Those very people are flying the American flag, singing our anthem and carrying signs demanding 2nd amendment rights....

    Hong Kong protesters wave American flag, sing national anthem

    This very situation is what we profess to deploy military assets around the globe for.

    Will Trump ignore the opportunity like Obama did in Iran? Has his full court press for economic balance exceeded the American mantra of freedom for all? Is that necessarily a bad thing?

    Thoughts?
     
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    China has the rights to Hong Kong, Britain signed them over. Hong Kong is part of China, its theirs, like it or not. If the rest of the world wants to join the US in opposing China's illegal business practices like currency manipulation, stealing intellectual property, subsidizing and dumping products, fentanyl production, etc. then that might get China's attention, but I doubt it.
    Taiwan is a different story, they are an independent country that the US has said it will defend. Similarly the illegal islands that China is building in the South China Sea does not extend China's claim over the freedom of navigation. So the US has several potential battles with China, and doesn't need to add Hong Kong to the list. Maybe Hong Kong will enlighten China as to what a free market economy can do? It behooves China to use a light touch on Hong Kong or the world will unite to reduce China's prosperity.
     
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    Had Trump not declared war (as in trade war) with the rest of the world they probably would have joined us.

    But alas he is driving the rest of the world to China’s side
     
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    Trump does not give a damn how authoritarian leaders treat their citizens.
     
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    You can’t get behind him calling the leader of China a “great man”….but you’re okay with him “falling in love” with the dictator of North Korea?

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    Are we the world's cop? No we're not.
    Russia went from democracy to Putin. China has Xi for life. Venezuela has Maduro. Iraq had Saddam, was it worth getting rid of him? Libya had Qaddafi, now look at it. Then there are all the African s-hole countries. Then there are the Saudis and the oil rich sheiks.
    Where do you want to start? Tell me you'd send your kids there to fight for someone else's "freedom".
     
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    Maybe you haven't noticed, but the rest of the world has been raping the US with unfair tariffs for decades.
    Please provide a link that the world is on China's side. I call TDS bullshit.
     
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    Nope, I had not noticed.

    I never thought of 122 straight months of economic expansion as being raped.

    I never thought of 110 straight months of positive job growth as being raped.

    I never thought of UE below 4% as being raped

    I never thought of more open jobs than people to fill them as being raped.

    I never thought of record setting financial markets as being raped.

    You must have a fucked up sex life if you think those things equate to being raped.
     
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    Funny China's neighbors are all arming up
     
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    So you agree with me that Trump does not care about human rights? Why didn't you just hit the agree button and save all that typing.
     

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