Trump's assault on free speech - agree with him or else!

[Frank the Tank]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment
Targeting critics, Trump threatens ex-officials' security clearances

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

 

[SweetSue92]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

 

[tyroneweaver]

These dirtbags used their positions to influence an election
And are so inept they lost

 

[Frank the Tank]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

Complete lie.....it absolutely IS "new" given this has never been done before. It is also a blow to national security because it RESTRICTS the government's ability to share information across Administrations and Directors. The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

 

[SweetSue92]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

Complete lie.....it absolutely IS "new" given this has never been done before. It is also a blow to national security because it RESTRICTS the government's ability to share information across Administrations and Directors. The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

It restricts the government's ability? Oh, heaven forfend. No one wants to restrict the government's ability to DO anything right? lol I mean all these cats are supposed to be OUT of gov't service...and they should be. Instead they are flapping their gums all over the place, mostly on cable news. So no, it's no skin off my teeth, and the teeth of many Americans, if their access is restricted. MORE people need to be restricted.

You won't find me crying about the press either. Do you know what the approval rating for the MSM is? Can you guess why, maybe?

 

[Mac1958]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

Their access is removed the day they leave the job, having a clearance and having access are two different things.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

...The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

It is actually, Brennan/Comey/Clapper etc. are ex employees now working for the competition (the #resistance)

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

Sure, the press is pretty useless these day and we can all read the orange announcements on twitter anyway...

 

[Frank the Tank]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

Complete lie.....it absolutely IS "new" given this has never been done before. It is also a blow to national security because it RESTRICTS the government's ability to share information across Administrations and Directors. The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

It restricts the government's ability? Oh, heaven forfend. No one wants to restrict the government's ability to DO anything right? lol I mean all these cats are supposed to be OUT of gov't service...and they should be. Instead they are flapping their gums all over the place, mostly on cable news. So no, it's no skin off my teeth, and the teeth of many Americans, if their access is restricted. MORE people need to be restricted.

You won't find me crying about the press either. Do you know what the approval rating for the MSM is? Can you guess why, maybe?

So you DON'T want the government to defend the country?!?!? Gee.....wonder who all those guys/gals are in green fatigues?

Let me ask you......HOW do you decide who is restricted and who is NOT restricted. Or.....do we just do away with free press entirely?

 

[Frank the Tank]

...The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

It is actually, Brennan/Comey/Clapper etc. are ex employees now working for the competition (the #resistance)

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

Sure, the press is pretty useless these day and we can all read the orange announcements on twitter anyway...

Complete lie.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

 

[Mac1958]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
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I don't think you understand what 'authoritarian' means. To do so, you have to be in a position of authority to do so.....not sure why pointing out stupidity of right wing theories equates to shutting down free speech? Quite the contrary.....I LOVE right wing nutcases speaking....their ineptitude is better evidence of their craziness than anything I could say.

 

[tyroneweaver]

...The national security of a country is NOT the same as a private firm where ex employees might work for a competitor for Christ sake.

It is actually, Brennan/Comey/Clapper etc. are ex employees now working for the competition (the #resistance)

You all for Trump removing Press credentials for certain members of the Press he doesn't like?

Sure, the press is pretty useless these day and we can all read the orange announcements on twitter anyway...

Their competition is the 3 stooges

 

[Mac1958]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
.

I don't think you understand what 'authoritarian' means. To do so, you have to be in a position of authority to do so.....not sure why pointing out stupidity of right wing theories equates to shutting down free speech? Quite the contrary.....I LOVE right wing nutcases speaking....their ineptitude is better evidence of their craziness than anything I could say.

Looks like we have different definitions. The fact remains, the tactics I listed are true, and the Left should clean its own house before playing the Free Speech game.

Not that I'm expecting that.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

Stormy Mac is still upset about that time he got called down to HR for that dirty joke.

Big difference between College kids not wanting Nazis on their campus, and POTUS calling a Free Press "The enemy of the People", and threatening to take away press credentials of people he doesn't like.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
.

I don't think you understand what 'authoritarian' means. To do so, you have to be in a position of authority to do so.....not sure why pointing out stupidity of right wing theories equates to shutting down free speech? Quite the contrary.....I LOVE right wing nutcases speaking....their ineptitude is better evidence of their craziness than anything I could say.

Looks like we have different definitions. The fact remains, the tactics I listed are true, and the Left should clean its own house before playing the Free Speech game.

Not that I'm expecting that.
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Why would we have different definitions?!?!?!? There is a correct definition and an incorrect one. There is ONE POTUS that is trying to use his political power to restrict certain members of the free press access. It is an authoritarian type of move....but, falls in line with Trump's affinity with guys like Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin. They have the EXACT same view of the free press.

 

[JoeB131]

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

Stormy Mac has been upset about "Political Correctness" for years ever since he realized that his "Aggrieved White People" demographic wasn't getting any traction in the Democratic Party.

Of course, college kids are always over sensitive. I remember back in the 1980's, they chased Book of Virtues phony Bill Bennett off of the UIC Campus after he made some crack about "Divesting from Spring Break" in response to the deep slashes they were making in education funding.

 

[harmonica]

reporters credentials should be taken away--they are lying bastards
they are unfair/one-sided/bullshit/etc
it's about time someone with guts called them out

 

[Mac1958]

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
.

I don't think you understand what 'authoritarian' means. To do so, you have to be in a position of authority to do so.....not sure why pointing out stupidity of right wing theories equates to shutting down free speech? Quite the contrary.....I LOVE right wing nutcases speaking....their ineptitude is better evidence of their craziness than anything I could say.

Looks like we have different definitions. The fact remains, the tactics I listed are true, and the Left should clean its own house before playing the Free Speech game.

Not that I'm expecting that.
.

Why would we have different definitions?!?!?!? There is a correct definition and an incorrect one. There is ONE POTUS that is trying to use his political power to restrict certain members of the free press access. It is an authoritarian type of move....but, falls in line with Trump's affinity with guys like Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin. They have the EXACT same view of the free press.

Given the Regressive Left's commitment to Political Correctness, to shutting down speech at (of all places) American Universities, and its authoritarian addiction to punishing anyone who dares to say anything they don't like about anything in any situation, it has a long, long way to go before it can complain about Freedom of Speech.

What the hell does your view of 'political correctness' have anything to do with the POTUS removing press credentials from certain members of the free Press?!?!

I just explained it.
.

I don't think you understand what 'authoritarian' means. To do so, you have to be in a position of authority to do so.....not sure why pointing out stupidity of right wing theories equates to shutting down free speech? Quite the contrary.....I LOVE right wing nutcases speaking....their ineptitude is better evidence of their craziness than anything I could say.

Looks like we have different definitions. The fact remains, the tactics I listed are true, and the Left should clean its own house before playing the Free Speech game.

Not that I'm expecting that.
.

Why would we have different definitions?!?!?!? There is a correct definition and an incorrect one. There is ONE POTUS that is trying to use his political power to restrict certain members of the free press access. It is an authoritarian type of move....but, falls in line with Trump's affinity with guys like Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin. They have the EXACT same view of the free press.

Yes, it's an authoritarian move, but I don't think Trump has the capacity to realize it. It's his standard, petulant, vindictive, shallow behavior, something he's demonstrated since he came down the escalator. He doesn't appear to have a grasp of context, he just reacts.

My point, however, is that the illiberal authoritarian Left has been making a mockery of the most liberal of values, freedom of expression, for a couple of generations now. The attacking, punishing and intimidating of speech by these people is certainly authoritarian, and it flies directly in the face of freedom of expression.
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