CDZ Trump: Yea or Nay

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Do you approve of Trump's job performance

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  1. Wry Catcher
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    Time will tell if you opinion remains the same or changes.
     
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    I approve. I am really happy with what he has done so far.
     
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    Obama gave him a "yuge" head start on all of that.
     
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    Yeah....you must have posted this before his G20 win........
     
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    If he had a clue, he probably would.

    NAFTA is not all bad but is much worse for Mexico than for us and actually led to a huge increase in migrant workers coming here to work produce farms.

    As for drumpf, he's an embarrassment and very dangerous. He's not very bright, knows nothing and isn't interested in learning. He will likely destabilize most of the world and cause untold wars. Our unemployment will go sky high, poverty will increase, the working class will be gone, the best and brightest will leave the US, our debt will easily triple and finally, the US will lose its #1 status.


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    In fairness, I know Trump's not a complete idiot. There are a couple things he's actually good at, although at the level of POTUS, or Fortune 500 CEO, one needs to be very good at a lot of things, not just a couple or three. It's just that he's not nearly as bright, forward thinking, or adept as is the typical person who ascends to the level of our society to which Trump has.

    Truly, if the man didn't own his own company, he never would have made it to the same level in corporate America. I'm not even sure he'd have made it to the bottom rungs of senior management or the top rungs of middle management -- I could see him rising perhaps to marketing director, but not marketing VP/EVP. He just doesn't demonstrate the business and personal acumen required for such roles. Truthfully, we've fired people for lesser transgressions and gaffes than Trump has gotten away with solely because there was nobody other than himself to whom he was accountable.

    Accountability is a very big thing for elected office holders and executives in large publicly held organizations and others that operate like them. Through no fault of his own, Trump has never, until now, been beholden to anybody. He has, for the entirety of his life, run an enterprise that, but for having lots and lots of very low level employees, is essentially operated as would any small business (very flat org chart). That's great for whomever it's been good for, including Trump. It's been financially remunerative in a fine way, but that's it. It hasn't taught him the skills needed to be a collaborative leader, which is among the skills one does learn when leading a firm like those in the DOW, Fortune/S&P 500 or even those in the Russell 2000.

    People have, of late, been talking about the low profile Rex has been assuming as SecState. While there are surely multiple reasons for that, not the least of which (rightly, IMO, as it's what a serious and responsible leader would do) is Tillerson's getting his governance grounding before taking a more outspoken position as SecState, one of them is that Rex can run leadership circles around Trump, and they both know it. The same can be said of several of the other people whom Trump has emplaced as department, agency, bureau and administration heads.

    Take the woman who was just installed to run Medicare/Medicaid. She should have been engaged ages ago to work on Trump's legislative proposal for an O-care replacement. Where was she during the campaign? Why didn't he have her and a team of staff working quietly in the background to define Trump's health insurance/healthcare agenda?

    In contrast, however, Trump has not surrounded himself most closely with people who can, with their eyes closed, outshine him. His closest advisors, the ones in the WH, they're all political operatives and/or "yes men;" yet they are the gatekeepers of public policy and they are the people with the most and most important access to Trump's ear. Now, there's nothing wrong with having a political advisor in the WH, but the whole of the WH staff doesn't need to be political specialists.

    A POTUS needs those people to help with campaigning, no question, but for governing, he needs deeply knowledgeable subject matter experts, and that's not what he's got in the WH (to boot, he doesn't seem to trust, or treat with respect, the one's he got working in the halls of the various departments, agencies, etc.) and it's not the kind of person he's put in place in many of his cabinet and comparable level positions. Why the hell did he put Dr. Ben Carson, a neurosurgeon, in charge of HUD instead of HHS or NIH, or even make him Surgeon General? (An equally good question is why the hell Carson accepted (wanted?) the HUD offer, but that's something for a different thread.)

    Trump, if with whom he's surrounded himself in the WH is any indicator, thinks that "everything" about being POTUS is political. When running for the office, a lot of it is. Once one gets it, however, the politics will take care of themselves so long as one advances sound and well thought out policy, even if that policy isn't perfect, which often enough, due to the need for collaborative compromise in governing, it isn't going to be.
     
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    Is vodga & Borsch your favorote meal?
     
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    Anyone watching today's hearings? If so, is your opinion confirmed?
     
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    Trump has exceeded my expectations, and mostly that is because he is not a professional politician and thus has not sold his soul to the Political establishment and the multinational corporations.
     
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    I see healthcare as the 1st major departure from the platform he ran on. If we get 40% of what he ran on take that as a victory (if you voted for him). No politician gives you all of what you want all the time. The Alternative was 0% of what I want with the addition of our country sliding further in the "wrong" direction.
     
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