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Who's to say that some of these women didn't attack the man first? Who are we to rob men of a chance of legal defense?
It isn't fucking right.
It isn't fucking right.
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More then a simple accusation. The law says beyond a reasonable doubt. And last I checked one is due a day in Court.How much proof do you need, TN?Obviously, he was referring to the social assassinations of people for simply being accused of something with no proof.Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
Six senior officials within the executive branch have resigned in the past 24 hours. Two of them resigned over allegations of domestic abuse and Donald Trump is throwing his support behind the alleged abusers. According to the former reality show star, speaking out against your abuser is a bad thing. White House speechwriter David Sorensen’s former wife, Jessica Corbett, claims her former husband put cigarettes out on her body and drove a car over her foot. Rob Porter, a high-ranking staffer just resigned amid a scandal about his alleged spousal abuse. Pictures of that abuse circulated online showing his former wife with a black eye. Two ex-wives and a former girlfriend have claimed they were physically and emotionally abused by Porter.
“People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” the man who falsely accused former President Barack Obama of being born in Kenya tweeted. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused – life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
You are an idiot.
It is not her fault that the accusation had consequences. You can't silence her because of what might happen.You are arguing that pointing out that an accusation is all it takes to ruin a life is somehow ok when a woman does it.Evidently liberals are okay with doing away with the entire concept of due process. It's going on the same ash heap as free speech.
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That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?It's pretty clear whose side he's on. I can understand how surprised his coworkers are, but ANYONE should have some empathy for the victims, too, I think. Even if you don't know what to believe, aren't both sides a sad tale?How much proof do you need, TN?Obviously, he was referring to the social assassinations of people for simply being accused of something with no proof.Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
You are an idiot.
I went back 2 times a reread his twitter message.. It sure does look like he is supporting his aide, even the wife felt he called her a liar.
Trump lost another 100,000 women voters with that one. There are a lot of women who have experienced DV or work with or know women who have been hurt by it. They're not going to appreciate Trump's clarion call to protect the abuser.
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?It's pretty clear whose side he's on. I can understand how surprised his coworkers are, but ANYONE should have some empathy for the victims, too, I think. Even if you don't know what to believe, aren't both sides a sad tale?How much proof do you need, TN?Obviously, he was referring to the social assassinations of people for simply being accused of something with no proof.
You are an idiot.
I went back 2 times a reread his twitter message.. It sure does look like he is supporting his aide, even the wife felt he called her a liar.
Trump lost another 100,000 women voters with that one. There are a lot of women who have experienced DV or work with or know women who have been hurt by it. They're not going to appreciate Trump's clarion call to protect the abuser.
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?It's pretty clear whose side he's on. I can understand how surprised his coworkers are, but ANYONE should have some empathy for the victims, too, I think. Even if you don't know what to believe, aren't both sides a sad tale?How much proof do you need, TN?
I went back 2 times a reread his twitter message.. It sure does look like he is supporting his aide, even the wife felt he called her a liar.
Trump lost another 100,000 women voters with that one. There are a lot of women who have experienced DV or work with or know women who have been hurt by it. They're not going to appreciate Trump's clarion call to protect the abuser.
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
Reality isnt a back door, OL.Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?It's pretty clear whose side he's on. I can understand how surprised his coworkers are, but ANYONE should have some empathy for the victims, too, I think. Even if you don't know what to believe, aren't both sides a sad tale?I went back 2 times a reread his twitter message.. It sure does look like he is supporting his aide, even the wife felt he called her a liar.
Trump lost another 100,000 women voters with that one. There are a lot of women who have experienced DV or work with or know women who have been hurt by it. They're not going to appreciate Trump's clarion call to protect the abuser.
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
Six senior officials within the executive branch have resigned in the past 24 hours. Two of them resigned over allegations of domestic abuse and Donald Trump is throwing his support behind the alleged abusers. According to the former reality show star, speaking out against your abuser is a bad thing. White House speechwriter David Sorensen’s former wife, Jessica Corbett, claims her former husband put cigarettes out on her body and drove a car over her foot. Rob Porter, a high-ranking staffer just resigned amid a scandal about his alleged spousal abuse. Pictures of that abuse circulated online showing his former wife with a black eye. Two ex-wives and a former girlfriend have claimed they were physically and emotionally abused by Porter.
“People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” the man who falsely accused former President Barack Obama of being born in Kenya tweeted. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused – life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
Give me a fucking break! Did any of these guys claim that the woman attacked them ? If no, why not? BECAUSE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. No one is robbing them of a defense. They got caught up in a shit storm of their own making.Who's to say that some of these women didn't attack the man first? Who are we to rob men of a chance of legal defense?
It isn't fucking right.
What? What are you asking me?Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
Six senior officials within the executive branch have resigned in the past 24 hours. Two of them resigned over allegations of domestic abuse and Donald Trump is throwing his support behind the alleged abusers. According to the former reality show star, speaking out against your abuser is a bad thing. White House speechwriter David Sorensen’s former wife, Jessica Corbett, claims her former husband put cigarettes out on her body and drove a car over her foot. Rob Porter, a high-ranking staffer just resigned amid a scandal about his alleged spousal abuse. Pictures of that abuse circulated online showing his former wife with a black eye. Two ex-wives and a former girlfriend have claimed they were physically and emotionally abused by Porter.
“People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” the man who falsely accused former President Barack Obama of being born in Kenya tweeted. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused – life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
How is Trump always 100 % right? I am constantly pleased and amazed.
Sorry, TN. I've heard too many survivor stories and seen too many real scars and real x-rays and read too many hospital reports to go along with your argument that false claims are as common place or as much of a worry as you think. I've heard women make a few in ugly divorce cases when there were custody disputes and they were clearly bullshit. No one including the judge believed them.Reality isnt a back door, OL.Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?It's pretty clear whose side he's on. I can understand how surprised his coworkers are, but ANYONE should have some empathy for the victims, too, I think. Even if you don't know what to believe, aren't both sides a sad tale?
Trump lost another 100,000 women voters with that one. There are a lot of women who have experienced DV or work with or know women who have been hurt by it. They're not going to appreciate Trump's clarion call to protect the abuser.
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
First of all, you cant PROVE domestic violence without an eye witness or recording. I would wager 10 bucks 90% of the convictions are done so because the woman said they did and had a mark. Are you going to argue with that? Because we all know domestic violations are biased for the woman just like child custody hearings. Thats why woman use that as a THREAT.
Now, damnit, dont go putting words in my mouth. I didnt say it was common. I am disagreeing with FOUR PERCENT.Sorry, TN. I've heard too many survivor stories and seen too many real scars and real x-rays and read too many hospital reports to go along with your argument that false claims are as common place or as much of a worry as you think. I've heard women make a few in ugly divorce cases when there were custody disputes and they were clearly bullshit. No one including the judge believed them.Reality isnt a back door, OL.Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.What about when people just make shit up?
I mean, are they just like, victims of circumstance, or something?
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
First of all, you cant PROVE domestic violence without an eye witness or recording. I would wager 10 bucks 90% of the convictions are done so because the woman said they did and had a mark. Are you going to argue with that? Because we all know domestic violations are biased for the woman just like child custody hearings. Thats why woman use that as a THREAT.
You're being misled.
Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
Six senior officials within the executive branch have resigned in the past 24 hours. Two of them resigned over allegations of domestic abuse and Donald Trump is throwing his support behind the alleged abusers. According to the former reality show star, speaking out against your abuser is a bad thing. White House speechwriter David Sorensen’s former wife, Jessica Corbett, claims her former husband put cigarettes out on her body and drove a car over her foot. Rob Porter, a high-ranking staffer just resigned amid a scandal about his alleged spousal abuse. Pictures of that abuse circulated online showing his former wife with a black eye. Two ex-wives and a former girlfriend have claimed they were physically and emotionally abused by Porter.
“People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” the man who falsely accused former President Barack Obama of being born in Kenya tweeted. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused – life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
She didn't do it. And btw, you could have turned around and walked away instead. Just sayinNow, damnit, dont go putting words in my mouth. I didnt say it was common. I am disagreeing with FOUR PERCENT.Sorry, TN. I've heard too many survivor stories and seen too many real scars and real x-rays and read too many hospital reports to go along with your argument that false claims are as common place or as much of a worry as you think. I've heard women make a few in ugly divorce cases when there were custody disputes and they were clearly bullshit. No one including the judge believed them.Reality isnt a back door, OL.Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.That happens. Just like when someone puts up a fake news report here. You have to keep that possibility in the back of your mind.
I worked with victims of DV and their abusers for 10 years. I've known women who went through it. It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when women won't follow through with criminal charges, and ESPECIALLY when they decide after a week or two to go back to their husband for more. It's complicated. It is not usually "made up," although it is often recanted for all the crazy reasons women have for thinking they deserve to be a punching bag.
Dept. of Justice says approx 4% of criminal allegations are false. DV cases are no different.
People can dismiss all cases because of the 4%, or they can at least listen to them. Ironically, by refusing to listen, they are encouraging women NOT to press charges which again will deny the abusers their fair "day in court." Unless a woman is severely injured, most DA's won't prosecute without the victim's cooperation. In some states they can't. So both sides lose.
There's a lot to it, TN.
First of all, you cant PROVE domestic violence without an eye witness or recording. I would wager 10 bucks 90% of the convictions are done so because the woman said they did and had a mark. Are you going to argue with that? Because we all know domestic violations are biased for the woman just like child custody hearings. Thats why woman use that as a THREAT.
You're being misled.
PROVE the man did those things. I will wait.
Exactly. You cant unless there is a witness or recording.
She could have done it to herself. And nobody would know a difference. Nor would they care because DV is bias against males.
My stupid bitch of an ex wife hit me about 30 times one day. I finally got mad and grabbed her by the throat and threw her into the wall. She said she was going to claw her face and call the cops. She didnt, but if she did, i wouldnt have been able to stop it, and you know it. I would have a criminal history of violence and didnt do a damn thing!
But she wouldnt have threatened me with it if the system wasnt bias AND YOU KNOW IT. We all do.She didn't do it. And btw, you could have turned around and walked away instead. Just sayinNow, damnit, dont go putting words in my mouth. I didnt say it was common. I am disagreeing with FOUR PERCENT.Sorry, TN. I've heard too many survivor stories and seen too many real scars and real x-rays and read too many hospital reports to go along with your argument that false claims are as common place or as much of a worry as you think. I've heard women make a few in ugly divorce cases when there were custody disputes and they were clearly bullshit. No one including the judge believed them.Reality isnt a back door, OL.Okay. If 4% doesn't fit with your world view, say it's not true. I'm not exactly shocked, but I am disappointed that you are taking that back door out of the argument.I dont believe that 4% number. It is a statistic impossibility to calculate those. Just because they get convicted, doesnt mean they actually did it.
First of all, you cant PROVE domestic violence without an eye witness or recording. I would wager 10 bucks 90% of the convictions are done so because the woman said they did and had a mark. Are you going to argue with that? Because we all know domestic violations are biased for the woman just like child custody hearings. Thats why woman use that as a THREAT.
You're being misled.
PROVE the man did those things. I will wait.
Exactly. You cant unless there is a witness or recording.
She could have done it to herself. And nobody would know a difference. Nor would they care because DV is bias against males.
My stupid bitch of an ex wife hit me about 30 times one day. I finally got mad and grabbed her by the throat and threw her into the wall. She said she was going to claw her face and call the cops. She didnt, but if she did, i wouldnt have been able to stop it, and you know it. I would have a criminal history of violence and didnt do a damn thing!
Obviously, he was referring to the social assassinations of people for simply being accused of something with no proof.Here is more proof, as though any more were needed, that Trump- at best is a mindless, insensitive jerk- and at worse a shameless misogynist who has no respect for women.
‘Lives Are Being Shattered’: Trump Says Victims Of Domestic Abuse Should Stop Hurting Men’s Careers
By Conover Kennard on February 10, 2018 11:42 am ·
Six senior officials within the executive branch have resigned in the past 24 hours. Two of them resigned over allegations of domestic abuse and Donald Trump is throwing his support behind the alleged abusers. According to the former reality show star, speaking out against your abuser is a bad thing. White House speechwriter David Sorensen’s former wife, Jessica Corbett, claims her former husband put cigarettes out on her body and drove a car over her foot. Rob Porter, a high-ranking staffer just resigned amid a scandal about his alleged spousal abuse. Pictures of that abuse circulated online showing his former wife with a black eye. Two ex-wives and a former girlfriend have claimed they were physically and emotionally abused by Porter.
“People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” the man who falsely accused former President Barack Obama of being born in Kenya tweeted. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused – life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”
What!!?? He admits that at least some are true. Think about that!! Aside from the fact that victims deserve to be believed – he is suggesting that true or not, the women should have remined silent!! Seriously. Apparently, he has the same attitude towards women as the Islamic extremists-who he hates so much have. Maybe he also believes that they should not be allowed to leave the house unescorted by a related male. Maybe he thinks that they should not work outside of the home and be subservient to men. This is sick!!
Related: Trump Speechwriter Resigns Amid Domestic Abuse Allegations, Says HE Was The Victim
You are an idiot.