Trump releases 7 point healthcare plan

[auditor0007]

So, back to making lots of money for private companies and back to the old ways then?

Those private companies make more money under Obamacare than they did without it. That's what happens when the government forces people to buy their product.

What do you think about his plan?

Will it make us #1 in overall performance, and last in overall expenditure per capita in the World? That is the goal, and if the plan doesn't exceed in these two areas it is an American Capitalist failure.

We will never be last in overall expenditure per capita nor should we want to be. What we should want is to get value for what we are spending and currently that is not happening.

 

[Brain357]

Everyone is paying more. The reason we have obama care is because costs went up so high. I just don't see this plan fixing that. Car insurance doesn't have borders and I wouldnt call it cheap.

Car insurance does have borders, I had to change insurance companies when I moved to another state and I could not take it with me. The previous company did not have authority to cover us.

Obamacare has done nothing to help with the high cost of insurance. The policies I have now are worse than before Obamacare. Obamacare has forced the middle class to purchase high premium, high deductible insurance. We are paying for the poor and the part timers. How much more do we want to burden the middle class with? Obamacare is a disaster for me. I used to bargain with my doctors and we side stepped insurance and I paid lower cost. My Urologist would charge the insurance company $150 to see me, I paid $80, he would do x-rays for $50 instead of $125, I didn't need to be referred to see him.

Today, I go to my regular doctor, I pay full price, then he has to refer me to the Urologist, the Urologist can't discount because it has to run through the insurance and he charges full price on x-rays. Because I am below my deductible, I am now paying for two doctors and x-ray at full price. How the hell does this help anyone?

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Then go back to nothing. Why move to a costly plan that doesn't really help the problem?

 

[hazlnut]

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

So who pays when someone ends up in emergency?

Who pays for children who show up to the ER with the flu or something that would normally be treated with a Dr. visit?

In other words, we're back to the freeloader system of paying for people who don't have their own insurance even though some can afford it.

1. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

Health insurance companies are not interested in this -- for reasons related to state laws and the need to establish new contacts with doctors, building a entire new network where one already exists. -- several states passed laws allowing companies in their state to offer across state lines--not one company took them up on it.

1. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

Any time you say tax deduction, you have to explain how you pay for it. -- this is why we have a national debt.

Also, you can deduct medical expenses that exceed 10% of your adjusted gross income.

And just to be clear, Trump would continue Medicaid..? Wow, how socialist of him.

1. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

These already exist. The same young people who didn't want to buy health insurance (w/o mandate) will not go out and start putting money in a savings account.

1. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

The health care market doesn't function that way -- people don't wake up on Sunday and check the ads saying "let's see what's on sale down at the ER." People don't "shop around" when they are sick.

1. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

Everybody always thinks states have their citizens best interests at heart -- the level of corruption at the state level far exceeds that of the federal. States, like corperations, can not always be trusted to do the right thing-- look at Flynt MI.

1. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

Drug companies won't go for it and they own too many congressmen. -- But it is a good idea that BERNIE SANDERS came up with.

 

[shintao]

Everyone is paying more. The reason we have obama care is because costs went up so high. I just don't see this plan fixing that. Car insurance doesn't have borders and I wouldnt call it cheap.

Car insurance does have borders, I had to change insurance companies when I moved to another state and I could not take it with me. The previous company did not have authority to cover us.

Obamacare has done nothing to help with the high cost of insurance. The policies I have now are worse than before Obamacare. Obamacare has forced the middle class to purchase high premium, high deductible insurance. We are paying for the poor and the part timers. How much more do we want to burden the middle class with? Obamacare is a disaster for me. I used to bargain with my doctors and we side stepped insurance and I paid lower cost. My Urologist would charge the insurance company $150 to see me, I paid $80, he would do x-rays for $50 instead of $125, I didn't need to be referred to see him.

Today, I go to my regular doctor, I pay full price, then he has to refer me to the Urologist, the Urologist can't discount because it has to run through the insurance and he charges full price on x-rays. Because I am below my deductible, I am now paying for two doctors and x-ray at full price. How the hell does this help anyone?

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Worse in what way? Overcome,... there were 32.3 million Americans uninsured. How does Trump's plan include these individuals so ALL Americans have health care?

 

[Papageorgio]

Car insurance does have borders, I had to change insurance companies when I moved to another state and I could not take it with me. The previous company did not have authority to cover us.

Obamacare has done nothing to help with the high cost of insurance. The policies I have now are worse than before Obamacare. Obamacare has forced the middle class to purchase high premium, high deductible insurance. We are paying for the poor and the part timers. How much more do we want to burden the middle class with? Obamacare is a disaster for me. I used to bargain with my doctors and we side stepped insurance and I paid lower cost. My Urologist would charge the insurance company $150 to see me, I paid $80, he would do x-rays for $50 instead of $125, I didn't need to be referred to see him.

Today, I go to my regular doctor, I pay full price, then he has to refer me to the Urologist, the Urologist can't discount because it has to run through the insurance and he charges full price on x-rays. Because I am below my deductible, I am now paying for two doctors and x-ray at full price. How the hell does this help anyone?

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Then go back to nothing. Why move to a costly plan that doesn't really help the problem?

I am not legally allowed to go nothing. Do you know anything about Obamacare?

 

[Londoner]

Trump's Health Care Plan is much closer to the current Democrats, which they got from Bob Dole and AEI (Republican Think Tank).

Here is the problem.

The mainstream Republican Party is deeply funded by both the Pharmaceutical and Health Care industries. In exchange for funding Republicans, these industries were granted the functional equivalent of state protected monopolies. This allowed them to raise premiums and decrease coverage without losing customers to competitors. [Large corporations hate being disciplined by the market; this is why the invest in Republican politicians, who are sent to Washington to hand out monopolies]

Obama's failed Public Option was designed to destroy the Republican created health care monopoly structure. The Public Option was supposed to force Health Insurance providers to innovate and offer competitive pricing to retain consumers. When this failed, Obama was left with a system that merely shoveled consumers into a deeply rigged health care system, but with one caveat: it became harder for the massive Republican-Friendly corporations to deny coverage to people who actually got sick or had a pre-existing condition. Under ObamaCare, these deeply corrupt Republican-Protected corporations had to actually treat sick people, rather than merely fleecing consumers with ever higher premiums and ever-shrinking coverage.

Trump will destroy that, and return the system to what it was under Bush. A handful of corporations that divide the country into fixed no-compete zones, much like the Cable/Internet providers. This will allow Republican-Friendly health care providers to raise rates and decrease services without fear of losing customers to a more agile competitor.

Republicans only support free market competition at the rhetorical level. They're great at giving speeches. But when it comes to governing, they always - and I mean always - take care of the corporations who fund their elections.

Trump has never had to work 40+ hours at a low paying job to support a family. He doesn't know what it is like to be destroyed by the rising costs of state protected health care monopolies. He will protect his ilk - the owners and CEOs, the very people who did what he has done for his entire professional life: invest in politicians in order to secure a competitive advantage.

 

[Brain357]

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Then go back to nothing. Why move to a costly plan that doesn't really help the problem?

I am not legally allowed to go nothing. Do you know anything about Obamacare?

Before obamacare there was nothing.

 

[shintao]

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

So who pays when someone ends up in emergency?

Who pays for children who show up to the ER with the flu or something that would normally be treated with a Dr. visit?

In other words, we're back to the freeloader system of paying for people who don't have their own insurance even though some can afford it.

1. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

Health insurance companies are not interested in this -- for reasons related to state laws and the need to establish new contacts with doctors, building a entire new network where one already exists. -- several states passed laws allowing companies in their state to offer across state lines--not one company took them up on it.

1. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

Any time you say tax deduction, you have to explain how you pay for it. -- this is why we have a national debt.

Also, you can deduct medical expenses that exceed 10% of your adjusted gross income.

And just to be clear, Trump would continue Medicaid..? Wow, how socialist of him.

1. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

These already exist. The same young people who didn't want to buy health insurance (w/o mandate) will not go out and start putting money in a savings account.

1. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

The health care market doesn't function that way -- people don't wake up on Sunday and check the ads saying "let's see what's on sale down at the ER." People don't "shop around" when they are sick.

1. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

Everybody always thinks states have their citizens best interests at heart -- the level of corruption at the state level far exceeds that of the federal. States, like corperations, can not always be trusted to do the right thing-- look at Flynt MI.

1. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

Drug companies won't go for it and they own too many congressmen. -- But it is a good idea that BERNIE SANDERS came up with.

Well stated and logical.

 

[forkup]

Healthcare Reform
I wont post his comments and such. Just the plan

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

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Not too bad. Add competition and remove barriers. Therefore, lowering costs. Actually going after the ruckus that started all of this totalitarian healthcare crap.

Hello Harley, let me first give you a bit of background of who I am. I'm a European democratic socialist married to an American spouse. As such I feel I have a somewhat special perspective. The totalitarian healthcare crap you refer to is how i live, my doctor costs me about 5 bucks on average per visit, meds depending on what i get are very affordable and there's no hour wait to receive said meds because the pharmecy doesn't need to check with my insurer. If I'm to sick to travel the doctor comes to my house. If I need to go to the ER I have to wait maybe 15 min before i get seen and I've never had it take more then 2 hours. My question is what's the downside?

 

[Papageorgio]

Car insurance does have borders, I had to change insurance companies when I moved to another state and I could not take it with me. The previous company did not have authority to cover us.

Obamacare has done nothing to help with the high cost of insurance. The policies I have now are worse than before Obamacare. Obamacare has forced the middle class to purchase high premium, high deductible insurance. We are paying for the poor and the part timers. How much more do we want to burden the middle class with? Obamacare is a disaster for me. I used to bargain with my doctors and we side stepped insurance and I paid lower cost. My Urologist would charge the insurance company $150 to see me, I paid $80, he would do x-rays for $50 instead of $125, I didn't need to be referred to see him.

Today, I go to my regular doctor, I pay full price, then he has to refer me to the Urologist, the Urologist can't discount because it has to run through the insurance and he charges full price on x-rays. Because I am below my deductible, I am now paying for two doctors and x-ray at full price. How the hell does this help anyone?

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Worse in what way? Overcome,... there were 32.3 million Americans uninsured. How does Trump's plan include these individuals so ALL Americans have health care?

Your numbers are way off. The participation rate is dropping as of end of 2015. 32.3 million Americans did not get health insurance. The cost on the working middle class is continuing to escalate. The alternatives to cut costs and premiums are out there, the burden cannot be sustained by the backs of the working class.

 

[shintao]

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Then go back to nothing. Why move to a costly plan that doesn't really help the problem?

I am not legally allowed to go nothing. Do you know anything about Obamacare?

I know enough that it isn't the solution, but a problem created by capitalism trying to put the halter on a horse backwards. There is only one way to fix health care, make it 100% national care and stop thinking their is a magic bullet somewhere to make it all better.

 

[shintao]

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Worse in what way? Overcome,... there were 32.3 million Americans uninsured. How does Trump's plan include these individuals so ALL Americans have health care?

Your numbers are way off. The participation rate is dropping as of end of 2015. 32.3 million Americans did not get health insurance. The cost on the working middle class is continuing to escalate. The alternatives to cut costs and premiums are out there, the burden cannot be sustained by the backs of the working class.

That number was floated by Fox News before ACA, and that is where Trump is headed, regressing back before ACA to the good ol days.

 

[TNHarley]

Healthcare Reform
I wont post his comments and such. Just the plan

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

------

Not too bad. Add competition and remove barriers. Therefore, lowering costs. Actually going after the ruckus that started all of this totalitarian healthcare crap.

Hello Harley, let me first give you a bit of background of who I am. I'm a European democratic socialist married to an American spouse. As such I feel I have a somewhat special perspective. The totalitarian healthcare crap you refer to is how i live, my doctor costs me about 5 bucks on average per visit, meds depending on what i get are very affordable and there's no hour wait to receive said meds because the pharmecy doesn't need to check with my insurer. If I'm to sick to travel the doctor comes to my house. If I need to go to the ER I have to wait maybe 15 min before i get seen and I've never had it take more then 2 hours. My question is what's the downside?

What country is that?

 

[bendog]

btw, that is the "I got mine, and you're on your own, losers" health care plan.

 

[forkup]

Healthcare Reform
I wont post his comments and such. Just the plan

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

------

Not too bad. Add competition and remove barriers. Therefore, lowering costs. Actually going after the ruckus that started all of this totalitarian healthcare crap.

Hello Harley, let me first give you a bit of background of who I am. I'm a European democratic socialist married to an American spouse. As such I feel I have a somewhat special perspective. The totalitarian healthcare crap you refer to is how i live, my doctor costs me about 5 bucks on average per visit, meds depending on what i get are very affordable and there's no hour wait to receive said meds because the pharmecy doesn't need to check with my insurer. If I'm to sick to travel the doctor comes to my house. If I need to go to the ER I have to wait maybe 15 min before i get seen and I've never had it take more then 2 hours. My question is what's the downside?

What country is that?

Belgium

 

[TNHarley]

Healthcare Reform
I wont post his comments and such. Just the plan

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

------

Not too bad. Add competition and remove barriers. Therefore, lowering costs. Actually going after the ruckus that started all of this totalitarian healthcare crap.

Hello Harley, let me first give you a bit of background of who I am. I'm a European democratic socialist married to an American spouse. As such I feel I have a somewhat special perspective. The totalitarian healthcare crap you refer to is how i live, my doctor costs me about 5 bucks on average per visit, meds depending on what i get are very affordable and there's no hour wait to receive said meds because the pharmecy doesn't need to check with my insurer. If I'm to sick to travel the doctor comes to my house. If I need to go to the ER I have to wait maybe 15 min before i get seen and I've never had it take more then 2 hours. My question is what's the downside?

What country is that?

Belgium

11M people compared to 320M
209 hospitals compared to 1100
Don't you need to separate insurance for medical conditions like diseases and something like major car accidents? If you go to the GD for a cold, and they have to do other tests, doesn't that cost you out of pocket? I see you get reimbursed around 75% so that's cool but it seems it could add up. Although, I doubt the cost is even comparable to us. Cost is what I would like addressed..
No need to force people to purchase a for profit product or tax them 50% to do it. Just make it affordable. No need for a public hospital to pay for that X-RAY machine 150K times.

 

[forkup]

Healthcare Reform
I wont post his comments and such. Just the plan

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

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Not too bad. Add competition and remove barriers. Therefore, lowering costs. Actually going after the ruckus that started all of this totalitarian healthcare crap.

Hello Harley, let me first give you a bit of background of who I am. I'm a European democratic socialist married to an American spouse. As such I feel I have a somewhat special perspective. The totalitarian healthcare crap you refer to is how i live, my doctor costs me about 5 bucks on average per visit, meds depending on what i get are very affordable and there's no hour wait to receive said meds because the pharmecy doesn't need to check with my insurer. If I'm to sick to travel the doctor comes to my house. If I need to go to the ER I have to wait maybe 15 min before i get seen and I've never had it take more then 2 hours. My question is what's the downside?

What country is that?

Belgium

11M people compared to 320M
209 hospitals compared to 1100
Don't you need to separate insurance for medical conditions like diseases and something like major car accidents? If you go to the GD for a cold, and they have to do other tests, doesn't that cost you out of pocket? I see you get reimbursed around 75% so that's cool but it seems it could add up. Although, I doubt the cost is even comparable to us. Cost is what I would like addressed..
No need to force people to purchase a for profit product or tax them 50% to do it. Just make it affordable. No need for a public hospital to pay for that X-RAY machine 150K times.

It's all one insurance no separation. A few things you have to consider first our health insurance has alot less overhead; No need for avertising for instance or the need for alot of positions in the insurance companies dealing with administration. Second since we consider health a basic right most things get to be made affordable. As for added costs , no most things dont come out of pocket. It's treat first well figure out a way to pay later.

 

[Papageorgio]

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Worse in what way? Overcome,... there were 32.3 million Americans uninsured. How does Trump's plan include these individuals so ALL Americans have health care?

Your numbers are way off. The participation rate is dropping as of end of 2015. 32.3 million Americans did not get health insurance. The cost on the working middle class is continuing to escalate. The alternatives to cut costs and premiums are out there, the burden cannot be sustained by the backs of the working class.

That number was floated by Fox News before ACA, and that is where Trump is headed, regressing back before ACA to the good ol days.

However not all of the 32 million ever got health care, those uninsured are still way up there. Obamacare solved little.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No they don't, my insurance is worse than ever, more money, higher deductibles. Hell, I'm about $10,000 a year before my policy kicks in, my wife is about the same. We are $20,000 in before we see and 80/20 benefit. Why does the middle class need to pay for everyone?

Everyone is paying more. The reason we have obama care is because costs went up so high. I just don't see this plan fixing that. Car insurance doesn't have borders and I wouldnt call it cheap.

Car insurance does have borders, I had to change insurance companies when I moved to another state and I could not take it with me. The previous company did not have authority to cover us.

Obamacare has done nothing to help with the high cost of insurance. The policies I have now are worse than before Obamacare. Obamacare has forced the middle class to purchase high premium, high deductible insurance. We are paying for the poor and the part timers. How much more do we want to burden the middle class with? Obamacare is a disaster for me. I used to bargain with my doctors and we side stepped insurance and I paid lower cost. My Urologist would charge the insurance company $150 to see me, I paid $80, he would do x-rays for $50 instead of $125, I didn't need to be referred to see him.

Today, I go to my regular doctor, I pay full price, then he has to refer me to the Urologist, the Urologist can't discount because it has to run through the insurance and he charges full price on x-rays. Because I am below my deductible, I am now paying for two doctors and x-ray at full price. How the hell does this help anyone?

Not saying obamacare is great, but don't this plan as being better. And may cost more.

Who was your car insurer?

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Because it allows rich people to get richer for doing no extra work....

 

[Papageorgio]

Can't see it being worse than Obama and all the rules.

The car insurer was licensed in Oregon and not Indiana, I don't remember the name of the company, that was a few years back.

What is the point if it is costly and not better?

Pretty sure you can buy Allstate or geico or progressive or many others in every state.

Obamacare is worse than what we had before, that's the point. Going backwards would be going forwards, quit living off the middle class.

Then go back to nothing. Why move to a costly plan that doesn't really help the problem?

I am not legally allowed to go nothing. Do you know anything about Obamacare?

Before obamacare there was nothing.

Before Obamacare, I had insurance, so there was something. I didn't pay for insurance I didn't need, like birth control. Before Obamacare I could negotiate my prices with my doctors as I told you earlier.

Sorry that you are so young that you didn't know anything existed before Obamacare.