Trump: Middle East Would Be Better Off With Saddam, Gaddafi

[the_human_being]

Yeah. The Saudi king is dirt poor because we don't buy his oil. Ever hear of OPEC?

irrelevant....we import more oil from canada than the ME. That's a fact.

Then get ready to import even more from Canada.

not a problem....We have enough oil on this continent that we shouldn't have to import ANY from the ME anyway.

How long will it take you to bring it in if you start Monday?

say what?

Which you won't because your Party won't let you.

say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

 

[Lakhota]

Are we to simply excuse the two Bush presidents who invaded Iraq - TWICE?

Both Bush presidents gave us ISIS - especially Bush 43. Not only did Bush 43 lie us into Iraq - his daddy, Bush 41, lied us into the First Gulf War by suckering Saddam into invading Kuwait. The Bushes cost America much prestige, blood and treasure.

Bush 41 suckered Saddam into invading Kuwait by giving him the "green light" via April Glaspie.

It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a "green light" from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.

TRANSCRIPT: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?​

Bush 43 conjured up lies to invade Iraq a 2nd time. He was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11.

The Downing Street Memo​

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

 

[the_human_being]

Are we to simply excuse the two Bush presidents who invaded Iraq - TWICE?

Both Bush presidents gave us ISIS - especially Bush 43. Not only did Bush 43 lie us into Iraq - his daddy, Bush 41, lied us into the First Gulf War by suckering Saddam into invading Kuwait. The Bushes cost America much prestige, blood and treasure.

Bush 41 suckered Saddam into invading Kuwait by giving him the "green light" via April Glaspie.

It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a "green light" from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.

TRANSCRIPT: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?​

Bush 43 conjured up lies to invade Iraq a 2nd time. He was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11.

The Downing Street Memo​

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

In that case, you'd best be a speed reader and catch up with the rest of the real world in a hurry. It is passing you bye.

 

[Lakhota]

Are we to simply excuse the two Bush presidents who invaded Iraq - TWICE?

Both Bush presidents gave us ISIS - especially Bush 43. Not only did Bush 43 lie us into Iraq - his daddy, Bush 41, lied us into the First Gulf War by suckering Saddam into invading Kuwait. The Bushes cost America much prestige, blood and treasure.

Bush 41 suckered Saddam into invading Kuwait by giving him the "green light" via April Glaspie.

It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a "green light" from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.

TRANSCRIPT: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?​

Bush 43 conjured up lies to invade Iraq a 2nd time. He was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11.

The Downing Street Memo​

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

In that case, you'd best be a speed reader and catch up with the rest of the real world in a hurry. It is passing you bye.

There are always plenty of experts to remind us when bad history is about to be repeated. The trick is to pay attention.

 

[Rotagilla]

irrelevant....we import more oil from canada than the ME. That's a fact.

Then get ready to import even more from Canada.

not a problem....We have enough oil on this continent that we shouldn't have to import ANY from the ME anyway.

How long will it take you to bring it in if you start Monday?

say what?

Which you won't because your Party won't let you.

say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

how very witty you are...

we were talking about oil...did you have a point you wanted to make? something about "parties" and imports...

...and try to stay on topic and leave me and your opinion of me out of it if you can.
See, I'm an adult and I couldn't care less what you think of me.... and I'm sure no one else here cares either.

 

[the_human_being]

Then get ready to import even more from Canada.

not a problem....We have enough oil on this continent that we shouldn't have to import ANY from the ME anyway.

How long will it take you to bring it in if you start Monday?

say what?

Which you won't because your Party won't let you.

say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

how very witty you are...

we were talking about oil...did you have a point you wanted to make? something about "parties" and imports...

...and try to stay on topic and leave me and your opinion of me out of it if you can.
See, I'm an adult and I couldn't care less what you think of me.... and I'm sure no one else here cares either.

Then follow the thread. Duhhhh. You stated we had plenty of oil on this continent. I simply asked you how long it would take for you to bring it in. No rocket science here, pure third grade reading comprehension.

 

[the_human_being]

Are we to simply excuse the two Bush presidents who invaded Iraq - TWICE?

Both Bush presidents gave us ISIS - especially Bush 43. Not only did Bush 43 lie us into Iraq - his daddy, Bush 41, lied us into the First Gulf War by suckering Saddam into invading Kuwait. The Bushes cost America much prestige, blood and treasure.

Bush 41 suckered Saddam into invading Kuwait by giving him the "green light" via April Glaspie.

It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a "green light" from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.

TRANSCRIPT: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?​

Bush 43 conjured up lies to invade Iraq a 2nd time. He was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11.

The Downing Street Memo​

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

In that case, you'd best be a speed reader and catch up with the rest of the real world in a hurry. It is passing you bye.

There are always plenty of experts to remind us when bad history is about to be repeated. The trick is to pay attention.

I don't believe we have any history of Putin in Syria taking outr ISIS while Obama takes out a hospital. Did Bush do that too?

 

[Lakhota]

Are we to simply excuse the two Bush presidents who invaded Iraq - TWICE?

Both Bush presidents gave us ISIS - especially Bush 43. Not only did Bush 43 lie us into Iraq - his daddy, Bush 41, lied us into the First Gulf War by suckering Saddam into invading Kuwait. The Bushes cost America much prestige, blood and treasure.

Bush 41 suckered Saddam into invading Kuwait by giving him the "green light" via April Glaspie.

It is now more than fifteen years since that fateful meeting on July 25, 1990 between then-US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie and President Saddam Hussein that the Iraqi leader interpreted as a "green light" from Washington for his invasion of Kuwait eight days later.

TRANSCRIPT: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?​

Bush 43 conjured up lies to invade Iraq a 2nd time. He was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11.

The Downing Street Memo​

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

In that case, you'd best be a speed reader and catch up with the rest of the real world in a hurry. It is passing you bye.

There are always plenty of experts to remind us when bad history is about to be repeated. The trick is to pay attention.

I don't believe we have any history of Putin in Syria taking outr ISIS while Obama takes out a hospital. Did Bush do that too?

Holy shit, are you mentally ill? Shit happens - especially in combat.

 

[Rotagilla]

not a problem....We have enough oil on this continent that we shouldn't have to import ANY from the ME anyway.

How long will it take you to bring it in if you start Monday?

say what?

Which you won't because your Party won't let you.

say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

how very witty you are...

we were talking about oil...did you have a point you wanted to make? something about "parties" and imports...

...and try to stay on topic and leave me and your opinion of me out of it if you can.
See, I'm an adult and I couldn't care less what you think of me.... and I'm sure no one else here cares either.

Then follow the thread. Duhhhh. You stated we had plenty of oil on this continent. I simply asked you how long it would take for you to bring it in. No rocket science here, pure third grade reading comprehension.

Your question makes no sense and is just an excuse for you to act out and type insulting remarks implying that I have a less than third grade education...it's comical, though...I think that someone who uses "Duhhhh" as a word in a post to "express" themselves is pretty juvenile.

So...back to the topic..
What exactly is the data you want me to provide? current active rig count in the u.s.?..canada? the gulf of mexico?..Daily production rates?...Look, it takes as long to "bring it in" as it does every other day of the week.

Now..you mentioned something about my "party" not letting "me" do something but you got distracted by the urge to type something snarky and weren't able to coherently explain yourself...Want to try again?

So, what is it you allege "my" "party" won't let me do?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"It's not even a contest."

Donald Trump said Sunday that the Middle East would be more stable if Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and Libyan autocrat Muammar Gaddafi were still in power.

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he thought the region would be "safer" with Hussein and Gaddafi ruling Iraq and Libya, respectively, the real estate mogul and ersatz Republican presidential candidate replied, "It's not even a contest."

Trump reasoned that had the United States not forced Hussein out of power in Iraq, the Islamic State would not have come into existence.

More: Donald Trump: Middle East Would Be Better Off With Saddam, Gaddafi

Amen! I totally agree! Saddam kept the lid on that cesspool.

Could say that of Hitler, Stalin, Mau, etc too though. Sacrificing people in order to have stability isn't worth it. Better to suffer the period of instability getting rid of butchers and despots in the hope that someone better comes into power.

Have to remember that with Saddam, we put him in power. Only reason we killed him is the tool we put in place went off the reservation. Donald Rumsfeld and best friend Saddam Hussein,

 

[Correll]

"It's not even a contest."

Donald Trump said Sunday that the Middle East would be more stable if Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and Libyan autocrat Muammar Gaddafi were still in power.

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he thought the region would be "safer" with Hussein and Gaddafi ruling Iraq and Libya, respectively, the real estate mogul and ersatz Republican presidential candidate replied, "It's not even a contest."

Trump reasoned that had the United States not forced Hussein out of power in Iraq, the Islamic State would not have come into existence.

More: Donald Trump: Middle East Would Be Better Off With Saddam, Gaddafi

Amen! I totally agree! Saddam kept the lid on that cesspool.

Could say that of Hitler, Stalin, Mau, etc too though. Sacrificing people in order to have stability isn't worth it. Better to suffer the period of instability getting rid of butchers and despots in the hope that someone better comes into power.

Have to remember that with Saddam, we put him in power. Only reason we killed him is the tool we put in place went off the reservation. Donald Rumsfeld and best friend Saddam Hussein,

1. No. Germany was not better with Hitler in power. Russia was not better with Stalin in power. China wasnot better with Mao in power.

2. We did not put Saddam in power.

 

[sarahgop]

Agree 100% with Trump.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Man -- this OP should have come with a poll. Because somehow --- after all these years the partisians from BOTH sides are finally agreeing with me about Iraq back in 1992.. Arabs NEED strongmen regimes. Don't have a clue how to operate a "democracy"..

Problem is --- Lahkota probably LOVES the eight years of bombing Iraq daily under Clinton and the 12 years of starving them of most everything economical. Mad Albright said the 200,000 "containment" casualties were JUSTIFIED..

So if all of you asses and elephants now agree we had no plan and had 12 years of f-ing LOUSY Iraq policy, followed by an unsuccessful 8 years of trying to patch up the damage. ---- why don't you step aside and let the folks "that told you so" take a whack at MidEast policy for awhile. Lord knows -- it couldn't be worse..

Lahkota probably LOVES the eight years of bombing Iraq daily under Clinton and the 12 years of starving them of most everything economical.
lakota probably loves his hemorrhoids too....

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Man -- this OP should have come with a poll. Because somehow --- after all these years the partisians from BOTH sides are finally agreeing with me about Iraq back in 1992.. Arabs NEED strongmen regimes. Don't have a clue how to operate a "democracy"..

Problem is --- Lahkota probably LOVES the eight years of bombing Iraq daily under Clinton and the 12 years of starving them of most everything economical. Mad Albright said the 200,000 "containment" casualties were JUSTIFIED..

So if all of you asses and elephants now agree we had no plan and had 12 years of f-ing LOUSY Iraq policy, followed by an unsuccessful 8 years of trying to patch up the damage. ---- why don't you step aside and let the folks "that told you so" take a whack at MidEast policy for awhile. Lord knows -- it couldn't be worse..

True. But I don't know how much I fault Bush for his democracy in Iraq ambitions. Having learned more about the oppressive nature of Islam, I know it's improbable for democracy to work in an Islamic nation. There is one country in Northern Africa where it's worked out okay. But they have strong restrictions on Islam in their constitution; and I think a significant percentage of their population isn't Islamic.

 

[Claudette]

"It's not even a contest."

Donald Trump said Sunday that the Middle East would be more stable if Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and Libyan autocrat Muammar Gaddafi were still in power.

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he thought the region would be "safer" with Hussein and Gaddafi ruling Iraq and Libya, respectively, the real estate mogul and ersatz Republican presidential candidate replied, "It's not even a contest."

Trump reasoned that had the United States not forced Hussein out of power in Iraq, the Islamic State would not have come into existence.

More: Donald Trump: Middle East Would Be Better Off With Saddam, Gaddafi

Amen! I totally agree! Saddam kept the lid on that cesspool.

Of course he's right but we don't get a re-do. The past is prologue. We won't have to worry about it much longer. Putin will be running the Middle East. What we had best do is drill like crazy before Putin cuts off our Middle East oil supply.

You bet he was right.

All America did was to destabilize the region.

We need to drill in ANWAR for oil and natural gas and North Dakota oil needs to stay in America.

Let Putin have the ME. That shithole isn't worth the life of one more American soldier.

 

[bedowin62]

"It's not even a contest."

Donald Trump said Sunday that the Middle East would be more stable if Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and Libyan autocrat Muammar Gaddafi were still in power.

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he thought the region would be "safer" with Hussein and Gaddafi ruling Iraq and Libya, respectively, the real estate mogul and ersatz Republican presidential candidate replied, "It's not even a contest."

Trump reasoned that had the United States not forced Hussein out of power in Iraq, the Islamic State would not have come into existence.

More: Donald Trump: Middle East Would Be Better Off With Saddam, Gaddafi

Amen! I totally agree! Saddam kept the lid on that cesspool.

Great nutjob!!

would you also have defended White rule in Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe)?? i mean that country was the breadbasket of Africa and now it's a socialist shithole run by a dictator. they actually have a $1 BILLION BILL, because inflation is so high. that gets you a loaf or two of bread.

 

[the_human_being]

While what you claim may hold some amount of truth, it matters little now. Get out of the past and look forward.

Well, sparky, factual history is important to help guide us in the future.

In that case, you'd best be a speed reader and catch up with the rest of the real world in a hurry. It is passing you bye.

There are always plenty of experts to remind us when bad history is about to be repeated. The trick is to pay attention.

I don't believe we have any history of Putin in Syria taking outr ISIS while Obama takes out a hospital. Did Bush do that too?

Holy shit, are you mentally ill? Shit happens - especially in combat.

When all parties have been provided with the GPS location of the hospital beforehand? Yes, things do happen but this was a gross error on someone's part and the taxpayers will have to pay through the nose to correct it.

 

[the_human_being]

How long will it take you to bring it in if you start Monday?

say what?

Which you won't because your Party won't let you.

say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

how very witty you are...

we were talking about oil...did you have a point you wanted to make? something about "parties" and imports...

...and try to stay on topic and leave me and your opinion of me out of it if you can.
See, I'm an adult and I couldn't care less what you think of me.... and I'm sure no one else here cares either.

Then follow the thread. Duhhhh. You stated we had plenty of oil on this continent. I simply asked you how long it would take for you to bring it in. No rocket science here, pure third grade reading comprehension.

Your question makes no sense and is just an excuse for you to act out and type insulting remarks implying that I have a less than third grade education...it's comical, though...I think that someone who uses "Duhhhh" as a word in a post to "express" themselves is pretty juvenile.

So...back to the topic..
What exactly is the data you want me to provide? current active rig count in the u.s.?..canada? the gulf of mexico?..Daily production rates?...Look, it takes as long to "bring it in" as it does every other day of the week.

Now..you mentioned something about my "party" not letting "me" do something but you got distracted by the urge to type something snarky and weren't able to coherently explain yourself...Want to try again?

So, what is it you allege "my" "party" won't let me do?

Ok. I'll make it as simple as I can: You admit we do import some oil from OPEC. You also say we import oil from Canada. We also import oil from Venezuela. Could one conclude then that we do not produce enough oil ourselves to meet our own demands? Then if we are not meeting our own demands, my question is: How long would it take you to get up to producing enough of our own oil to meet our demands? Six months? One year? Five years? I next stated that the Democrat party will not allow you to drill new wells if you still have to hunt for the oil necessary to meet our demands. I hope that is simple enough for you.

 

[the_human_being]

Man -- this OP should have come with a poll. Because somehow --- after all these years the partisians from BOTH sides are finally agreeing with me about Iraq back in 1992.. Arabs NEED strongmen regimes. Don't have a clue how to operate a "democracy"..

Problem is --- Lahkota probably LOVES the eight years of bombing Iraq daily under Clinton and the 12 years of starving them of most everything economical. Mad Albright said the 200,000 "containment" casualties were JUSTIFIED..

So if all of you asses and elephants now agree we had no plan and had 12 years of f-ing LOUSY Iraq policy, followed by an unsuccessful 8 years of trying to patch up the damage. ---- why don't you step aside and let the folks "that told you so" take a whack at MidEast policy for awhile. Lord knows -- it couldn't be worse..

True. But I don't know how much I fault Bush for his democracy in Iraq ambitions. Having learned more about the oppressive nature of Islam, I know it's improbable for democracy to work in an Islamic nation. There is one country in Northern Africa where it's worked out okay. But they have strong restrictions on Islam in their constitution; and I think a significant percentage of their population isn't Islamic.

There would be no ISIS in Iraq had Obama not pulled the troops out of Iraq and made void all the lives and maiming's of the military that occurred there. Our military had pretty well secured the country.

Where Bush screwed up was in not seizing the oil fields and refineries and using the Iraqi oil to repay this country for the cost of the war. Donald Trump says that exactly what he would do were he to send troops back to Iraq. That should be standard policy for any nation we defend. We should be paying absolutely nothing for having bases in Japan, Germany, etc.

 

[Rotagilla]

say what?
say what, again?

My party? What party? What exactly are you getting at? I'm not very fluent in obtuse

English either, apparently.

how very witty you are...

we were talking about oil...did you have a point you wanted to make? something about "parties" and imports...

...and try to stay on topic and leave me and your opinion of me out of it if you can.
See, I'm an adult and I couldn't care less what you think of me.... and I'm sure no one else here cares either.

Then follow the thread. Duhhhh. You stated we had plenty of oil on this continent. I simply asked you how long it would take for you to bring it in. No rocket science here, pure third grade reading comprehension.

Your question makes no sense and is just an excuse for you to act out and type insulting remarks implying that I have a less than third grade education...it's comical, though...I think that someone who uses "Duhhhh" as a word in a post to "express" themselves is pretty juvenile.

So...back to the topic..
What exactly is the data you want me to provide? current active rig count in the u.s.?..canada? the gulf of mexico?..Daily production rates?...Look, it takes as long to "bring it in" as it does every other day of the week.

Now..you mentioned something about my "party" not letting "me" do something but you got distracted by the urge to type something snarky and weren't able to coherently explain yourself...Want to try again?

So, what is it you allege "my" "party" won't let me do?

Ok. I'll make it as simple as I can: You admit we do import some oil from OPEC. You also say we import oil from Canada. We also import oil from Venezuela. Could one conclude then that we do not produce enough oil ourselves to meet our own demands? Then if we are not meeting our own demands, my question is: How long would it take you to get up to producing enough of our own oil to meet our demands? Six months? One year? Five years? I next stated that the Democrat party will not allow you to drill new wells if you still have to hunt for the oil necessary to meet our demands. I hope that is simple enough for you.

You are clueless about oil, that much is apparent.
This country could be 100% energy independent...if the government and the leftists wanted it to be.

Oh..the DEMOCRATIC party..THAT'S the party you meant when you said "my party" wouldn't allow it..

Well, son..I don't have a party..I have a country... and NEITHER party works for what's best for the country, so at this point after hearing the same old BS from politicians on BOTH sides for decades, I'm an anarchist..

Let it all collapse..we'll draw some new borders, make some "adjustments" and reconstruct what's left.