Hello. I will post some pages from some German Books, mainly from Crusader perspective. As you know the Crsuaders did also march through Anatolia dureing their several crusades. Sometimes with success, sometimes with failure. This success was coupled to the question whether local Turkish tribes fought united against the Crusaders or not. For example the Danischmendid-Turks located around Sivas fought together with the Crusaders against the Seljuk-Turks. Then Danischmendid-Turks fought together with Seljuk-Turks and victoried the Crusaders. I will come to this point later dureing my posts, but at this point just let it stay that European Kingdom-Families refer to the Trojans as their ancestors. This is no joke, the sources will be delivered later on. The Trojans are regarded as noble and with fighting spirit, while the Greeks were regarded as perfidious who could only battle the Trojans with tricks (Trojan Horse). The Franconians (the Crusaders were called this way) had trojan ancestors (to their telling) and as the Franconians admired the fighting spirit of the local tribes, they regarded these Turkish tribes also as ancestors from Trojans. So it is recorded in the chronics of the Franconians of that time. Most of what this thread will be about comes from the German book (but also other books with scanned related parts): Dreams and Reality: Troia This picture illustrates chronics from the Franconians in Old German. It says, that the the founding father of the Franconians was Franco and the founding father of the Turks was Turcus. Both were Trojans. picture in small size: Picture in big size: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2152/trojaturcusfrancogro.jpg Fatih Sultan - the Conqueror - Mehmet II. refering to Trojan roots when he conquered Constantinople by saying: "God has given me the right to revenge this city and its inhabitants (meaning Troja)". So actually, in the believings of the Franconians the Franconians and Turks were related and both were Trojans. to be continued.