Time for neocons to get educated

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by DeadCanDance, Dec 21, 2007.

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    Through these past few years, I've heard Bush voters get completely mixed up, and totally misinformed about who attacked us on 9/11, who our real enemies are, and blow off important distinctions between groups and nations in the muslim world.

    I've heard NeoCons call Al Qaeda "shia" muslims; I've heard them claim that Iran and Al Qaeda are in league, and that for some reason, all theocratic muslims must lumped under the same umbrella, as a threat to us.

    As the new Zawahiri video demonstrates, Al Qaeda actually consider they shia to be dogs, they consider Iran to be their enemy, and they actually consider Iran to be a tacit US ally in the occupation and subjugation (their perception) of Iraqi sunnis.


    new video released by al-Qaeda's number 2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri.



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    So now Zawahiri even makes statements that ought to make you understand what our aggressive interventionist policy is doing to us.

    I specifically agree that many close-minded neo-cons, war supporters, whatever, think of all the muslim nations that RIGHT NOW, are considered our enemies, are somehow all connecting with each other to in some way or another help each other against the "Great Satan".

    Forgive me if, to me, that sounds like the classic case of a conspiracy theory in itself. Do some of you really think that as long as any of those Muslim countries that are right now considered our enemies, ESPECIALLY by the stories put out by the US MSM, they are somehow working together? In some way, shape, or form?

    Why are the main top dogs as far as the supposed most wanted terrorists, even THEMSELVES saying that it's our occupations, and overall interventionist policy that is pissing them off to the point of jihad?

    Since perhaps we got them a little riled up against us over the last 50 or more years, should we accept their ridiculous holy war and bomb the ever loving shit out of all their countries? No telling how many of them we're getting, but we always know how many innocents we kill. We also know how much this is costing us, and how it's killing our economy. Are you willing to go bankrupt over this? How much is enough to spend? Is there no limit? Should we spend as much, and use any means possible, even if we DO go bankrupt? Even if eventually someone gets pissed off enough, like Russia or China, and enters? WW3? WW4? Nukes? Where do you draw the line?

    How are some of you not getting tired of seeing this yet?
     
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    I was in favor of the invasion of aghanistan. But, given the complete ineptness of the Bush admin., in hindsight, I think this whole thing should have been handled more surgically, through special operations, intelligence, and law enforcement, and covert ops. That was the way to deal with it. It shouldn't have been a "war on terror". Invading and occupying countries is only breeding more of these nutbags.
     
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    If the CIA can take people out, install governments, create covert organizations that front themselves internationally to take on other countries governments, all the while managing to stay completeley secret about it to where not even the terrorists know, then they can manage this terrorism bullshit on their own.

    This is why there is so little oversight into covert operations in Congress. If the CIA publicly opened it's closet to government, they wouldn't be able to have the control they have internationally.

    The best way to control a movement, is to become a PART of the movement. That has always been known. It's what the CIA is SUPPOSED to do BEST. It's a little harder to do that job, and run covert operations in countries when the potential target for the CIA has it's enemy surrounding them all over the country during an invasion.

    We should be letting that process work itself out, and make absolutely damn sure that information coming in from intelligence isn't false, or misleading.

    We just shouldn't be going to complete war with another country all in the name of keeping us feeling safe and secure here at home that sometime between now, and the rest of INFINITY, because someone may at some time sneak into our country and blow something up.

    That just doesn't make any sense. We should be kept EMPOWERED by our government and media, not kept in fear wanting war to be used as a tool to help us sleep better at night.
     
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    How does a country do covert in sunshine?
     
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    Coming from someone who thinks a neocon is anyone to the right of him, what a f-ing joke.:wtf:
     
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    Not sure what you mean, other than in the light of day?

    Covert operations are not limited to the hours of night time.

    If you meant something else by that, please clarify.
     
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    I think she was referring to general transparency.
     
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    How could an agency like the CIA do it's job properly, and keep covert operations effective, if they're transparent?

    They have a tactic they call "Limited Hangout", where they'll release SOME information on a topic, that will appear transparent, leaving the WHOLE story still a secret. It gives an impression that there's truth being told, when in reality it's actually being successfully surpressed.
     
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    Enquiring minds WOULD like to know.:lol:
     

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