Time for a little truth on DACA.

[RDD_1210]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

 

[TNHarley]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

No it isnt. Where are their papers?

 

[RDD_1210]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

No it isnt. Where are their papers?

Sure it is. They grew up here and have abided by the rules as a condition of being here.

 

[RDD_1210]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

No it isnt. Where are their papers?

 

[RDD_1210]

Is it any surprise that the people who support Nazi's also employ Nazi tactics?

 

[Aries]

Fuck illegals
Fuck incentive to illegals

Right they think they can just come here and steal our land ?!?



Oh wait .... that was us.

Give me a break, you broken record. What land hasnt been conquered at some point?

That was me giving you a break... I could have called you an asshole, but I didn't.

What land hasnt been conquered at some point? Come on. Lets discuss your "logic"

Let's discuss yours... Do you know anything at all about daca? About applying for daca? About qualifying for daca?

 

[TNHarley]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

No it isnt. Where are their papers?

Sure it is. They grew up here and have abided by the rules as a condition of being here.

That doesnt make it their country. Maybe it does to emotionally unstable bedwetters.. idk

 

[Aries]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their own country and deporting them holds them responsible for their parents decision to bring them here.

No this isn't 'their country'. Their parents took them from 'their' country and brought them here or they were sent or came without their parents. They can GO directly back to "their country" and protest and create havoc there.

Yes their parents.... so why are we punishing people for what their parents do? Trumps parents came here illegally, should he be punished for his parents wrong doings?

 

[Little-Acorn]

But if you team up with a foreign power to win an election you're.... What?

A Democrat.

They're the only ones, remember, for whom there is documented evidence showing they worked with foreigners to win U.S. elections.

 

[TNHarley]

These kids are free to return to their own countries, we are not holding them responsible for their parents crimes.

This is their country.

No it isnt. Where are their papers?

yes, because borders and laws are so NAZI
You idiot

 

[TNHarley]

Fuck illegals
Fuck incentive to illegals

Right they think they can just come here and steal our land ?!?



Oh wait .... that was us.

Give me a break, you broken record. What land hasnt been conquered at some point?

That was me giving you a break... I could have called you an asshole, but I didn't.

What land hasnt been conquered at some point? Come on. Lets discuss your "logic"

Let's discuss yours... Do you know anything at all about daca? About applying for daca? About qualifying for daca?

Thats what i thought. As ALWAYS, you talk out of that ass.
Who needs logic and reason when you have retarded people like aries?

 

[Aries]

Right they think they can just come here and steal our land ?!?



Oh wait .... that was us.

Give me a break, you broken record. What land hasnt been conquered at some point?

That was me giving you a break... I could have called you an asshole, but I didn't.

What land hasnt been conquered at some point? Come on. Lets discuss your "logic"

Let's discuss yours... Do you know anything at all about daca? About applying for daca? About qualifying for daca?

Thats what i thought. As ALWAYS, you talk out of that ass.
Who needs logic and reason when you have retarded people like aries?

And that's what I though, speaking on a topic you know nothing of as usual. Is that a hobby of yours?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Generations ago, Congress passed our immigration laws, and the President at the time signed them into law. They said that any foreign national who comes into the country without a visa, should be deported. The law made no exception for very young children.

DACA is a program created by Executive Order by Barack Obama. In doing so, he simply ignored the law. And then violated it. Is this what Presidents should do?

If Obama's heart told him it was bad to deport someone who had been brought into the country illegally by his parents when he was maybe 1 or two years old... why didn't Obama go to Congress (then fully controlled by Democrats), get them to pass a bill changing the immigration laws to allow grown adults who were brought in as young children to stay? Why did he take it upon himself to violate his own oath of office and break the laws passed by Congress instead? If this idea was as popular as the liberals say it is, there should have been no problem getting Congress to change the law... should there?

The reason is, because most Americans didn't want the law changed. And the Congressmen knew they might lose their next election if they changed the law that way, that's why.

Congress has had plenty of time - decades - to change the law. And they have deliberately kept it unchanged.

If your heart says that's not right... have YOU tried to get Congress to change the law? Or are you pretty sure you'd never succeed... because most American people don't want the law changed?

The American way is to have laws passed by our Representatives and signed by the President... and to have them changed by those representatives and signed into different form by the President. And to OBEY them until they are changed.

People who don't want to follow that pattern, should maybe find a different country where they don't do that. Until they do, no, they shouldn't just start letting illegal aliens who were brought here as kids, stay. That would violate the law - a law that America clearly doesn't want changed. Only a small but vocal minority want it differently.

Some anti-Americans would love to see our highest elected officials violate refuse to do their jobs and start violating American law instead. It would be the first step toward tearing down any American law they feel like, and transforming the country into something the American people don't want.

And those anti-Americans know that their best chance of success is to get Americans to say, "Where is your heart?" ....and carefully ignore the more important question, "Do we want our elected officials to obey and enforce the law we made our representatives pass... or not?"

 

[Little-Acorn]

Trumps parents came here illegally, should he be punished for his parents wrong doings?

The usual lie by people who know they haven't got a leg to stand on, and can't win the debate.

 

[TNHarley]

Give me a break, you broken record. What land hasnt been conquered at some point?

That was me giving you a break... I could have called you an asshole, but I didn't.

What land hasnt been conquered at some point? Come on. Lets discuss your "logic"

Let's discuss yours... Do you know anything at all about daca? About applying for daca? About qualifying for daca?

Thats what i thought. As ALWAYS, you talk out of that ass.
Who needs logic and reason when you have retarded people like aries?

And that's what I though, speaking on a topic you know nothing of as usual. Is that a hobby of yours?

Turn it on me
"lets ignore my fallacy so i can develop strawmen and beat you with it"

 

[Little-Acorn]

This is the only country they know. This is the country the grew up in, was educated in, found love and started a family in. Dreamers are upstanding citizens that contribute to our society and our community.

So, what have you done to get Congress change the law to conform to what you think it should be?

That's the only solution, you know. These constant demands that government violate the laws they are charged with enforcing, is nothing more than the leftist agenda to bring down the government and set up one that obeys the most violent and corrupt.

Please detail your program to get the law changed.

You're not just sitting here and whining on this forum, are you?

 

[BluesLegend]

The left is free to change our immigration laws, if they can muster the support of the American people and their representatives in congress. So far the American people have said NO to amnesty and NO to liberals who defend illegals while ignoring the thousands of American citizens who have been killed, raped, assaulted by illegals.

 

[Pop23]

Your Father had a DUI, so we are prohibiting you from getting a drivers license. Your Mother wrote a bad check, and because of that you will not be allowed to have a checking account.

These statements if they were ever made, would be roundly denounced by pretty much everyone. The idea of children being punished for the crimes of their parents would be the exact opposite of what this nation supposedly stands for. Yet, a minority believe this is wholly appropriate in the case of the so called "dreamers". Children punished for a crime committed by their parents.

Your father robbed a bank, so you are on probation for all intents and purposes. We know you come from criminal stock. You must check in with the police regularly, and if you ever miss an appointment, off to jail you go.

I said above that a minority believe in deporting the DACA "dreamers". That is absolutely true. Now, supporters will argue that this is why people voted for Trump. Well, there were a lot of reasons to vote for Trump. Myself, I wanted to see some changes to NAFTA, or perhaps even withdrawal from the trade deal. I certainly did not want the TPP to become a treaty we were stuck with. Deporting the dreamers wasn't one of the reasons I voted for him. Yet, somehow the opponents of Trump, and the most vocal supporters all agree one one thing. You have to support everything if you support one thing. Which is asinine to say the very least.

Your Grandfather refused to go to Vietnam, so we are declaring you a deserter and sending you to prison.

Now, I'll admit that Obama's action concerning the "Dreamers" was not exactly right. I'll admit that the law says one thing. But if any of you have read my posts before, I love to quote among others Saint Augustine who taught us that an unjust law, is no law. The letter of the law is never a substitute to the moral right or wrong. Doing the wrong thing, because the law says so, is the worst of reasons. You are still doing the wrong thing, and you can never be a "good guy" if you do the wrong thing.

Morality is what is developed by what we are taught. The lessons from parents, schools, and Religion that teach us the idea of right and wrong. Absolute blind adhearance to the letter of the law even when the law is wrong is just as wrong. The law is on the books is no excuse, and even less reason.

Among the other things I've posted many times before is a belief that through compromise, we can accomplish some good things. We used to do this all the time. It is how the nation operated for more than two hundred years. No one would be happy with the compromise, but they would eventually agree to it. The my way or the highway mentality was left to movies, bad parents, and potentates. There was no room for them in real life. The Rolling Stones sang a song about it, you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need.

Deporting the Dreamers might make you feel better, but is it the right thing? I would argue no. It is punishing the children for a crime committed by the parents. That I would always argue against. As for the parents, and what punishment is appropriate, we can always talk about that. We can reach some sort of agreement.

But those of you who support Trump should realize that the wind is blowing against you on this issue. The smart thing is to go with it, and find something else to get in return for the compromise. Screaming it's my way or the highway is going to get you nothing but defeated in the next elections. I don't think I would like that, because the Democratic Party has embraced the crazy in their effort to be seen opposing Trump, and that is just slightly dumber than the my way or the highway nonsense.

Willingness to compromise does not make you a fucking traitor. It doesn't make someone unamerican. It makes them a realist. Politics is the art of the possible. You might have heard that, or not.

Oh, and those of you who hate Trump and think all evil in the world is contained in the Republicans. Get over yourselves already. Figure out what you stand for, and standing against Trump is not standing for anything.

God this post Is idiotic.

All examples are Parent and child being citizens with CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

DACA and DAPA are illegal aliens, NOT US CITIZENS

We are no more punishing them by sending them home then you would be punishing the squatter family by sending his child out of your home with his parents.

 

[Conservative65]

Your Father had a DUI, so we are prohibiting you from getting a drivers license. Your Mother wrote a bad check, and because of that you will not be allowed to have a checking account.

These statements if they were ever made, would be roundly denounced by pretty much everyone. The idea of children being punished for the crimes of their parents would be the exact opposite of what this nation supposedly stands for. Yet, a minority believe this is wholly appropriate in the case of the so called "dreamers". Children punished for a crime committed by their parents.

Your father robbed a bank, so you are on probation for all intents and purposes. We know you come from criminal stock. You must check in with the police regularly, and if you ever miss an appointment, off to jail you go.

I said above that a minority believe in deporting the DACA "dreamers". That is absolutely true. Now, supporters will argue that this is why people voted for Trump. Well, there were a lot of reasons to vote for Trump. Myself, I wanted to see some changes to NAFTA, or perhaps even withdrawal from the trade deal. I certainly did not want the TPP to become a treaty we were stuck with. Deporting the dreamers wasn't one of the reasons I voted for him. Yet, somehow the opponents of Trump, and the most vocal supporters all agree one one thing. You have to support everything if you support one thing. Which is asinine to say the very least.

Your Grandfather refused to go to Vietnam, so we are declaring you a deserter and sending you to prison.

Now, I'll admit that Obama's action concerning the "Dreamers" was not exactly right. I'll admit that the law says one thing. But if any of you have read my posts before, I love to quote among others Saint Augustine who taught us that an unjust law, is no law. The letter of the law is never a substitute to the moral right or wrong. Doing the wrong thing, because the law says so, is the worst of reasons. You are still doing the wrong thing, and you can never be a "good guy" if you do the wrong thing.

Morality is what is developed by what we are taught. The lessons from parents, schools, and Religion that teach us the idea of right and wrong. Absolute blind adhearance to the letter of the law even when the law is wrong is just as wrong. The law is on the books is no excuse, and even less reason.

Among the other things I've posted many times before is a belief that through compromise, we can accomplish some good things. We used to do this all the time. It is how the nation operated for more than two hundred years. No one would be happy with the compromise, but they would eventually agree to it. The my way or the highway mentality was left to movies, bad parents, and potentates. There was no room for them in real life. The Rolling Stones sang a song about it, you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need.

Deporting the Dreamers might make you feel better, but is it the right thing? I would argue no. It is punishing the children for a crime committed by the parents. That I would always argue against. As for the parents, and what punishment is appropriate, we can always talk about that. We can reach some sort of agreement.

But those of you who support Trump should realize that the wind is blowing against you on this issue. The smart thing is to go with it, and find something else to get in return for the compromise. Screaming it's my way or the highway is going to get you nothing but defeated in the next elections. I don't think I would like that, because the Democratic Party has embraced the crazy in their effort to be seen opposing Trump, and that is just slightly dumber than the my way or the highway nonsense.

Willingness to compromise does not make you a fucking traitor. It doesn't make someone unamerican. It makes them a realist. Politics is the art of the possible. You might have heard that, or not.

Oh, and those of you who hate Trump and think all evil in the world is contained in the Republicans. Get over yourselves already. Figure out what you stand for, and standing against Trump is not standing for anything.

Your father robbed a bank and we're going to let you keep the money.

This statement, if ever made, would be denounced by almost everyone. Yet what you support happening is exactly the same. While you say a child shouldn't be punished for the crimes committed by his/her parents, you don't seem to have a problem rewarding that child due to the crimes committed by his/her parents. Since the argument is these kids had no choice but to come, if they are allowed to stay, rewarding them for the actions of their parents if what you're doing.

 

[Conservative65]

Your Father had a DUI, so we are prohibiting you from getting a drivers license. Your Mother wrote a bad check, and because of that you will not be allowed to have a checking account.

These statements if they were ever made, would be roundly denounced by pretty much everyone. The idea of children being punished for the crimes of their parents would be the exact opposite of what this nation supposedly stands for. Yet, a minority believe this is wholly appropriate in the case of the so called "dreamers". Children punished for a crime committed by their parents.

Your father robbed a bank, so you are on probation for all intents and purposes. We know you come from criminal stock. You must check in with the police regularly, and if you ever miss an appointment, off to jail you go.

I said above that a minority believe in deporting the DACA "dreamers". That is absolutely true. Now, supporters will argue that this is why people voted for Trump. Well, there were a lot of reasons to vote for Trump. Myself, I wanted to see some changes to NAFTA, or perhaps even withdrawal from the trade deal. I certainly did not want the TPP to become a treaty we were stuck with. Deporting the dreamers wasn't one of the reasons I voted for him. Yet, somehow the opponents of Trump, and the most vocal supporters all agree one one thing. You have to support everything if you support one thing. Which is asinine to say the very least.

Your Grandfather refused to go to Vietnam, so we are declaring you a deserter and sending you to prison.

Now, I'll admit that Obama's action concerning the "Dreamers" was not exactly right. I'll admit that the law says one thing. But if any of you have read my posts before, I love to quote among others Saint Augustine who taught us that an unjust law, is no law. The letter of the law is never a substitute to the moral right or wrong. Doing the wrong thing, because the law says so, is the worst of reasons. You are still doing the wrong thing, and you can never be a "good guy" if you do the wrong thing.

Morality is what is developed by what we are taught. The lessons from parents, schools, and Religion that teach us the idea of right and wrong. Absolute blind adhearance to the letter of the law even when the law is wrong is just as wrong. The law is on the books is no excuse, and even less reason.

Among the other things I've posted many times before is a belief that through compromise, we can accomplish some good things. We used to do this all the time. It is how the nation operated for more than two hundred years. No one would be happy with the compromise, but they would eventually agree to it. The my way or the highway mentality was left to movies, bad parents, and potentates. There was no room for them in real life. The Rolling Stones sang a song about it, you can't always get what you want, but you can get what you need.

Deporting the Dreamers might make you feel better, but is it the right thing? I would argue no. It is punishing the children for a crime committed by the parents. That I would always argue against. As for the parents, and what punishment is appropriate, we can always talk about that. We can reach some sort of agreement.

But those of you who support Trump should realize that the wind is blowing against you on this issue. The smart thing is to go with it, and find something else to get in return for the compromise. Screaming it's my way or the highway is going to get you nothing but defeated in the next elections. I don't think I would like that, because the Democratic Party has embraced the crazy in their effort to be seen opposing Trump, and that is just slightly dumber than the my way or the highway nonsense.

Willingness to compromise does not make you a fucking traitor. It doesn't make someone unamerican. It makes them a realist. Politics is the art of the possible. You might have heard that, or not.

Oh, and those of you who hate Trump and think all evil in the world is contained in the Republicans. Get over yourselves already. Figure out what you stand for, and standing against Trump is not standing for anything.

God this post I should idiotic.

All examples are Parent and child being citizens with CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

DACA and DAPA are illegal aliens, NOT US CITIZENS

Savannah doesn't have a problem rewarding these children for the crime their parents committed.