‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

[EvilEyeFleegle]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

Yea, sure they don't align with either political party, this group billed as liberal Christians who say that evangelicals who supported Trump are selling out the faith.

Liberals are not transparent except when they lie.

What really amazes me is that only 81% of evangelicals supported Trump. 19% thought maybe the Democrats were the better option? That lovable Church-friendly party?

Evangelists are not so called because they preach a social gospel, an "us v them" message that attacks the traditional American Christian community. They're evangelicals because they preach the Word of God, not abortion, welfare programs, and anti-republicanism.

So you say....I don't have that Hot Line to God...i just have to read the Bible..and it does NOT preach a message of hate.

If you don't have a hotline to God, please allow me to fill you in. Liberals, even those who call themselves Christian, have always been divisive. Liberals hate.

Sounds to me as though Trump is your God..and Liberals are your Satan.

Rightists hate..Leftists hate..they all hate. Christians are enjoined to love. How do you stack up?

 

[Nosmo King]

Axioms
Nazis hate Jews
Klan hate Blacks
Marxist hate rich people
Democrats hate evangelicals

What makes you think that the Red Letter Christians are Democrats?

Oh..silly me...if someone opposes Trump..than they MUST be Democrats, right?

Wrong.

Actually I think that the Dirty Democrats are attempting to create splits

In spite of Trump's own words and actions? What planet are you on?

 

[Correll]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

I'm always amazed why people make ops, and cut and paste the opening of their link that contains


NOTHING to suppor their point.



Their is nothing in this op, about why this evangelical is anti-Trump.

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

I'm always amazed why people make ops, and cut and paste the opening of their link that contains


NOTHING to suppor their point.



Their is nothing in this op, about why this evangelical is anti-Trump.

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

 

[Manonthestreet]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

 

[Correll]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

I'm always amazed why people make ops, and cut and paste the opening of their link that contains


NOTHING to suppor their point.



Their is nothing in this op, about why this evangelical is anti-Trump.

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

Your tactics are exactly what I would expect from a lefty trying to make a political smear against Evangelical supporters of Trump.

The op, if it is not that, points out the shocking fact that no all evagelicals support Trump.


Wow. That's exciting.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

 

[Correll]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

THe Liberation Theology that is moving into the mainstream of Christianity, disagrees with that.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

I'm always amazed why people make ops, and cut and paste the opening of their link that contains


NOTHING to suppor their point.



Their is nothing in this op, about why this evangelical is anti-Trump.

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

Your tactics are exactly what I would expect from a lefty trying to make a political smear against Evangelical supporters of Trump.

The op, if it is not that, points out the shocking fact that no all evagelicals support Trump.


Wow. That's exciting.

Odd..to have my actions reduced to tactics? A tactic would require an underlying strategy--yes? Again, I erroneously thought this was the religious forum...and thought I'd get some input. Some..dare I say...religious--based input.

Wrong site, I get that now.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

THe Liberation Theology that is moving into the mainstream of Christianity, disagrees with that.

I don't pay attention to movements..per se...in religion. To me, it's a personal choice..based on reading the Bible...I don't need interpretation..that's what praying is for.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

so whats his point..... if there was no "Christian" choice as approved by him......so what

 

[Correll]

I'm always amazed why people make ops, and cut and paste the opening of their link that contains


NOTHING to suppor their point.



Their is nothing in this op, about why this evangelical is anti-Trump.

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

Your tactics are exactly what I would expect from a lefty trying to make a political smear against Evangelical supporters of Trump.

The op, if it is not that, points out the shocking fact that no all evagelicals support Trump.


Wow. That's exciting.

Odd..to have my actions reduced to tactics? A tactic would require an underlying strategy--yes? Again, I erroneously thought this was the religious forum...and thought I'd get some input. Some..dare I say...religious--based input.

Wrong site, I get that now.

What in your op was religious based? It all focused on the partisan divide.


If that was not your focus, you should have picked an different excerpt.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

so whats his point.....

Read the article...make up your own mind.

 

[Correll]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

THe Liberation Theology that is moving into the mainstream of Christianity, disagrees with that.

I don't pay attention to movements..per se...in religion. To me, it's a personal choice..based on reading the Bible...I don't need interpretation..that's what praying is for.

Yet you start a thread, and make an op about religious movements and political conflict within.


Your actions and your words do not agree.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

so whats his point.....

Read the article...make up your own mind.

I think the point was to bash Trump and get likes

 

[Correll]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

so whats his point.....

Read the article...make up your own mind.

I think the point was to bash Trump and get likes

And he thinks he is so much smarter than us, that we won't notice or call him on it.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I'm always amazed at idiots who fail to read the entire link..thus basing their erroneous opinion on the excerpt..and I'm here to tell you...that I did not print my little excerpt because it illustrated my point..a point that is, in fact, unprovable..because it depends on subjective belief. I pasted the excerpt to give the reader a taste of what he was going to read, if he was interested. Not that you would understand a word i just wrote...BTW...they just believe that Trump dosen't embody Christian values..and thus..believe that for a Christian to support Trump..especially publicly--is a betrayal of sorts.

I agree.

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

Your tactics are exactly what I would expect from a lefty trying to make a political smear against Evangelical supporters of Trump.

The op, if it is not that, points out the shocking fact that no all evagelicals support Trump.


Wow. That's exciting.

Odd..to have my actions reduced to tactics? A tactic would require an underlying strategy--yes? Again, I erroneously thought this was the religious forum...and thought I'd get some input. Some..dare I say...religious--based input.

Wrong site, I get that now.

What in your op was religious based? It all focused on the partisan divide.


If that was not your focus, you should have picked an different excerpt.

My assumption was..and I see I was inaccurate...that people would actually go to the article if they were interested..read the whole thing..and discuss it--no worries.

the entire OP..the article in question..addresses some fundamental principles of Christianity. Those who care about such things..would see that--i was aiming for them. i guess i should have left Trump out of the title..it attracted political flies.

Can, and should, a Christian support an adulterer and yes, I'm including Clinton and all adulterers..past and present, Democratic and Republican in this.

I guess one could construe this as a political issue..but for me, it's a religious and philosophical one. All have sinned..but this is not an excuse to continue to do so.

If there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I hope he's not trying to make the case Hilly was the 'Christian" choice.

Huh!!!???

No..I'm in the religious forum...thus I'm in a philosophical mode...The Christian choice, IMO?

None of the above..pay attention to the local races. Remember that the kingdom that Christian aspire to..is not of this world.

so whats his point.....

Read the article...make up your own mind.

I think the point was to bash Trump and get likes

In which case..you are a fool. But hey, fools are welcome as well..in God's world. I think..that you are here just to bash..so, I could be wrong..and a fool as well. But I yet to hear a religious opinion out of you..here...in the religious forum.

 

[Crepitus]

‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

I've wondered how people of faith are viewing Trump..this article was an eye-opener--The article is ong..this is just a brief quote:

The night before Shane Claiborne came to town to preach at a Christian revival, he received a letter from the chief of police at Liberty University warning that if he set foot on the property, he would be arrested for trespassing and face up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

At first glance, Mr. Claiborne hardly appeared a threat to Liberty University, a dominant force in Lynchburg, Va., and a powerful engine in evangelical Christianity. Wearing baggy clothes that he sews himself, Mr. Claiborne preaches the Gospel, lives among the poor and befriends prisoners on death row, modeling his ministry on the life of Jesus.

But to the leaders of Liberty, he was a menace to their campus. He and his national network of liberal evangelicals, called the Red Letter Christians, were holding a revival meeting to protest in Liberty’s backyard. Their target: Jerry Falwell Jr., Liberty’s president and a man who has played a pivotal role in forging the alliance between white evangelicals and Donald J. Trump, who won 81 percent of their vote.

Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

“Let’s go where the Christians are, go where toxic Christianity lives,” Mr. Claiborne said last year, when proposing the idea for a revival in Lynchburg at an annual retreat for the Red Letter Christians.

The revival last month was the most energetic of several recent attempts by Christians in various camps to confront what they see as Mr. Trump’s “court evangelicals” selling out the faith. The critics have written columns, and a book called “Still Evangelical?” They convened a closed-door summit last month at Wheaton College. A number of bereaved, eminent elders plan a procession to the White House soon to hand over their manifesto, “Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis.”

Mr. Claiborne and his group were far more audacious, but they also faced disappointment, resistance and fear. They were taking on Lynchburg, a company town where Liberty University is the biggest employer. Their “Red Letter Revival” revealed the state of the evangelical church in 2018: The loudest voices and institutional power and money are with Mr. Trump; the dissenters are fired-up, underfunded and scattered; and the vast majority of pastors are silent for fear of dividing their congregations or risking their jobs.

Jesus (real Jesus, not the Cheeto version) wouldn't like most of the Evangelical crowd IMHO.

 

[Manonthestreet]

A lot of typing to just say that you agree with the op.

Yet, nothing to support the argument. YOu just keep making the claim.



Standard use of Proof by Assertion logical fallacy as a type of propaganda.



Very common among lefties today.

Huh..this is the Religious forum..so...perhaps tactics that you use in the political forum are not appropriate?

Somehow, it escaped you that I'm not trying to prove anything...just trying for some opinions. Nothing more. Only an errant fool would believe that one can EVER prove anything in these internet forums. Agree or disagree..and move on...

Your tactics are exactly what I would expect from a lefty trying to make a political smear against Evangelical supporters of Trump.

The op, if it is not that, points out the shocking fact that no all evagelicals support Trump.


Wow. That's exciting.

Odd..to have my actions reduced to tactics? A tactic would require an underlying strategy--yes? Again, I erroneously thought this was the religious forum...and thought I'd get some input. Some..dare I say...religious--based input.

Wrong site, I get that now.

What in your op was religious based? It all focused on the partisan divide.


If that was not your focus, you should have picked an different excerpt.

My assumption was..and I see I was inaccurate...that people would actually go to the article if they were interested..read the whole thing..and discuss it--no worries.

the entire OP..the article in question..addresses some fundamental principles of Christianity. Those who care about such things..would see that--i was aiming for them. i guess i should have left Trump out of the title..it attracted political flies.

Can, and should, a Christian support an adulterer and yes, I'm including Clinton and all adulterers..past and present, Democratic and Republican in this.

I guess one could construe this as a political issue..but for me, it's a religious and philosophical one. All have sinned..but this is not an excuse to continue to do so.

If there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness.

How many Saints can you name among recent Presidents......is it "Christian" to let invaders into your neighbors house...….is it Christian to enrich your friends thru public service......is it Christian to enrich yourself while selling out your countrymen...…..is it Christian to be liar of the year