The world consensus about anthropogenic climate change

[Old Rocks]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I'm for total nuclear power. I believe that nuclear is a much more effective way to power our cities and a much better back ground to develop cleaner cars. Ect.

 

[Old Rocks]

The only problem that I have with nuclear power is the cost.

When I was a boy, they pushed nuclear power as the power of the future that would be so cheap that they would not meter it. And it would be absolutely safe.

Reality has been it is very expensive power, and then there was the very near Chernobyle event at Three Mile Island.

The costs of various forms of generation of electricity

Comparative electrical generation costs - SourceWatch

Coal:

Coal Supercritical: 10.554
Coal Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC): 11.481
Coal IGCC with Carbon Capture & Storage (IGCC with CCS): 17.317
Alternatives:

Biogas: 8.552
Wind: 8.910
Gas Combined Cycle: 9.382
Geothermal: 10.182
Hydroelectric: 10.527
Concentrating solar thermal (CSP): 12.653
Nuclear: 15.316
Biomass: 16.485

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

Are you in favor of removing all catalytic converters which convert CO to CO2?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Environmental Marxists have made nuclear power prohibitively expensive in the USA. France runs on nuclear energy and they run circles around us. The cost of building a reactor has increased about 20 fold. If these lunatic get their way with offshore drilling they will make that prohibitively expensive as well.

 

[gslack]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

Similar? how similar?

Care to elaborate the differences? how about that was small scale and state controlled, no speculators, no international trades, etc etc...

And what about those sulfates.. Aren't they the same ones some of your so-called scientists want to dump in the atmosphere now to combat AGW? LOL yeah it is.... We been over this before remember tool?

LOL too funny...

 

[code1211]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

And now, a word from the real world.

We generate half of our electicity from coal. We have more coal than than about anybody in the world. It is cheap and it is here.

In the real world, we need to have coal converted to a form that is usable in the real world. Chermists use oil to produce everything from lubricants to artificial hearts. There must be similar methods to put to work for coal.

Capturing the carbon from the burning of coal cannot be an impossible thing to do. Finding uses for the captured carbon is the way to make this happen.

If it makes financial sense to do something, then someone will do it to make money. If it's financially stupid to do something, then the government will move in and waste money trying to do it. Probably "for the children".

 

[code1211]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

As far as I can tell both the Repubs and the Dems are running on "elect me an I'll stop Obama". There is a huge discontent in the country because 50% to 70% of the population is against everything this man has done.

Witness Sestak who beat Obama's hand picked boy by putting distance between himself and the Big 0.

 

[code1211]

Environmental Marxists have made nuclear power prohibitively expensive in the USA. France runs on nuclear energy and they run circles around us. The cost of building a reactor has increased about 20 fold. If these lunatic get their way with offshore drilling they will make that prohibitively expensive as well.

The dirty little secret of the Progressive's energy plans is that it makes the cost of fuel increase. Use the Ethanol fiasco as the model to study here.

If you're rich, no problem. If you're poor, big problem. No AC in the summer. No heat in the winter. Can't afford to drive to the job that pays little so you're on the dole.

After the taxes on cheap enegy are in place and the cost of new energy is prohibitive, then the Government will "have to" step in with more wealth re-distribution plans.

Big, intrusive government begets bigger, more intrusive government.

 

[Big Fitz]

We used a similiar system to acheive real progress in removing sulphate air pollution. I think that I rather just see a termination schedule for the coal burning plants, a schedule based on closing the last of them in a decade.

However, using market forces worked with the sulphates, and were it not for some rather major feedback loops in the Arctic, would also work with CO2.

Almost all the businesses in Oregon support this bill. It will pass, once again over the screaming and puking of the Conservatives.

Hmmm.......

New GI Bill
Removing the Banks from the Education Loans
Health Care Bill
Two Supreme Court picks confirmed
Cap and Trade Legislation

An improving Economy.

And the Repubs are running on Drill, Baby, Drill.

Similar? how similar?

Care to elaborate the differences? how about that was small scale and state controlled, no speculators, no international trades, etc etc...

And what about those sulfates.. Aren't they the same ones some of your so-called scientists want to dump in the atmosphere now to combat AGW? LOL yeah it is.... We been over this before remember tool?

LOL too funny...

Moronegon... a green socialist worker's utopia.

Can't wait till Crocks gets fired thanks to his green theory, the whines will probably be ear piercing. Probably works at a heavy polluting pulp mill and his posts here are to alleviate the guilt of his hypocrisy. But then he can live off the gubmint like every good plebe.