The Verse of the Sword

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    "9:5 Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)."

    Sounds scary right? It's known as "The Verse of the Sword", and admittedly many Muslims have used this verse to justify their corrupt intentions. However, it does not establish a doctrine of perpetual violent jihad against all non-Muslims for all time, as the Anti-Muslim Brain Trust would have you believe. I will show this, and then we'll discuss some principles which I believe can be derived from this verse and it's context.

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    The link is historically fallacious.

    For example, Muhammad was not driven out of Mecca as suggested. Muhammad persecuted the Meccans as he insisted they convert to his fabricated scam of Islam and they rejected his cult.

    Meccans were polytheists who did not give a hoot what religion Muhammad practiced, however, they were harrassed by the overbearing Muhammad who kept warning them of going to hell.

    The Meccans went to Muhammad's uncle, the influential Abu Talib, to beg him to ask his nephew Muhammad to cease tormenting them. They said he was welcome to practice Islam and they should be allowed to practice their religions.

    Muhammad refused to abide by the Meccans requests and eventually left Mecca for Medina, where ignorant Arabs were more receptive to his religious bullshit.

    Under the Islamic system of abrogation, Sura 9:5, one of the subsequent verses "revealed" in the Quran, cancels out earlier verses that preach tolerance. The intolerance and violence of Surah 9:5 illustrates the dark side of Islam that Islamists and their apologists refuse to acknowledge.
     
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    Did you forget that this same routine of yours was shown to be false the first time you attempted to pass it off as a legitimate historical analysis? I suppose we shouldn't expect much from a pathological liar who claims to have a mansion near Mary J. Blige and pretends to have read nearly 10,000 pages of ahadith. Do you ever stop and wonder why nobody takes your nonsense seriously, you silly Jew? :rofl:


    A passage can only be regarded as abrogated if one can point to an explicit statement in which Muhammad or a sahabiyy mentions it and its abrogator specifically. Would you like to share one with us regarding 9:5?

    Go back to trolling the Israel forum and advocating genocide, you lying Zionist leech. :lol:
     
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    The analysis in which I proved you know nothing about Islam and Muhammad? Yes, I remember vividly.

    Your kinowledge is limited to desperately Googling and cutting and pasting.

    Otherwise, you are oblivious the Islamic history.

    You're losing it. Try to contain your Muhammadan temper. Fortunately, I cannot be beheaded by an irate Muhammadan.

    You are PWNED.

    The Quraysh were sick and tired of Muhammad's taunting and his threats they would go to hell for not converting to his sick scam of Islam.

    There is no evidence that Meccans initiated any violence against Muhammad.
    Meccans were polytheists who were content for Muhammad to practice his fabricated religion as long as they could practice their religion.

    Unfortunately for the Meccans, Muhammad took his vengeance out on them by raiding their caravans after he left Medina, stealing their "booty" and taking 20% for himself, which he conveniently heard "revealed" by Allah. Muhammad was really a criminal who used his fictitious invention of Allah to permit him to loot and steal.

    Muhammad would not abide by the wishes of the Meccans and, thus, Muhammad left for Medina, where he scammed a bunch of ignorant Arabs.

    Sura 9:5 was "revealed" (not really revealed, Muhammad fabricated all the revelations) while in Medina when Muhammad flipped out and grew into a terrorist, a murderer, a hater of Jews and Christians, a rapist, a child molester, a hijacker and an extortionist. Sura 9:5 abrogates and cancels the earlier Meccan verses when Muhammad was a religious leader.

    As can be readily seen, Islamists become unhinged and lose their shit when the truth about Islam is revealed. They become so angry, they could murder those who criticize Islam.

    This is Islam, the religion of "peace".
     
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    A few more peaceful Sword verses from the religion of peace and its hatred of non-Muslims and exhortations to murder and terrorize them...

    Quran 3:151...
    Quran 2:191...
    Quran 8:65...
    Quran 8:12...
    Quran 66:9...
    What a wonderful religion!
     
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    How sick.

    Jews were hostile to Muhammad because Jews were happy with their legitimate religion and this crackpot Muhammad, who was kicked out of Mecca because of his mental illness, harrassed the Jews to convert to Islam.

    So, you justify Muhammad going to war with the Jews merely for desiring to practice Judaism?

    Sick, sick, sick. But, Islam hasn't changed since the 7th century. Today, Muslims are threatening the world with terrorism if they do not convert to Islam.

    This is the sick and distorted mentality of Islamists.

    The facts are that Muhammad cursed the Jews and proceeded to expel them from Arabia and behead them. He watched the beheading of 800 Jews from morning to night AND he watched along with his child wife, whom he married when she was just 6 years old.

    Muhammad murdered Jews because he heard voice in his head from an angel named Gabriel that told him to kill them. Muhammad was psychotic.

    Muhammad took the possessions and land of the Jews he expelled. He convenieintly heard voices from his invented Allah that it was ok to steal.

    Muhammad was a murderer and a child molester and child abuser.

    Muhammad went north from Medina to Khaybar and spared their lives, but, he forced them to give him half their land and possessions, which was extortion, so they could stay.

    Muhammad was so hateful of Jews and Christians for rejecting his scam cult that his final words were uttered when he died in his infamous deathbed curse when he told his companions that Arabia must be free of Jews and Christians.

    When Muhammad arrived in Medina, it was half Jewish.
    By the time of Muhammad's death, Medina was Jew-free.

    By the time of Caliph Umar, who succeeded Muhammad after Abu Bakr, ALL of Arabia was Jew-free and Christian-free.

    Today, Saudi Arabia remains Jew-free and Christian-free. In fact, non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Macca and Medina, a racist, apartheid system.
     
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    "Google":
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    Copy-pasters who steal their arguments from Daniel Pipes and "Answering Islam" (ie: your kind) are a dime a dozen on the internet, Shlomo. Maybe I'd take your comments about my "kinowledge" seriously if you could speak English coherently. :rofl:

    Tell it to Mary J, leech. :lol:

    "The apostle continued on his way, publishing God's religion and calling men thereto. In consequence his relations with the Quraysh deteriorated and men withdrew from him in enmity. They were always talking about him and inciting one another against him. Then they went to Abu Talib a second time and said, 'You have a high and lofty position among us, and we have asked you to put a stop to your nephew's activities but you have not done so. By God, we cannot endure that our fathers should be reviled, our customs mocked and our gods insulted. Until you rid us of him we will fight the pair of you until one side perishes,' or words to that effect. Abu Talib was deeply distressed at the breach with his people and their enmity but he could not desert the apostle and give him up to them." - Ibn Ishaq, 168​

    The person who dropped you as a child must feel extremely guilty. Let's see you post evidence from the ahadith or a legitimate account of the sirat proving that Muhammad (SAWS) initiated violence against the Makkans in the beginning.

    According to which tradition of Muhammad (SAWS) or the sahaba?

    Thanks for putting the Zionist love affair with dishonesty on public display again, child killer. Each keystroke of yours benefits Islam and damages the cause of our enemies more than you could imagine. :lol:
     
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    Looks like you missed something, Jewboy.
     
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    Looks like you're a true Jew-hating Muhammadan. You're mentally ill, like Muhammad.

    Quran 5:60...
    You are sick and in need of immediate psychological counseling, Muhammadan.
     
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    Have you found any Jews hiding behind the stones, angry, Jew-hating Muhammadan?

    Sahih Bukhari...
     

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