The Vapid Insistence On War--Obama von Clausewitz

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    Germanic barbarian, von Clausewitz, made famous the concept that war is an extension of any nation's politics. In the Obama Administration, it has now been made clear that we are famously not, "past all that."

    The concept of von Clausewitz, however, is not one of protracted occupations of other people's nations. Notice, in the infamous Nobel address, how the Obama Administration confuses the mind-set, and just guess how the Afghanistan Charade came about(?).

    Barack Obama, at Oslo, visiting on a planet recovering from financial and economic meltdown:

    "Third, a just peace includes not only civil and political rights - it must encompass economic security and opportunity. For true peace is not just freedom from fear, but freedom from want.

    It is undoubtedly true that development rarely takes root without security; it is also true that security does not exist where human beings do not have access to enough food, or clean water, or the medicine they need to survive. It does not exist where children cannot aspire to a decent education or a job that supports a family. The absence of hope can rot a society from within.

    And that is why helping farmers feed their own people - or nations educate their children and care for the sick - is not mere charity. It is also why the world must come together to confront climate change. There is little scientific dispute that if we do nothing, we will face more drought, famine and mass displacement that will fuel more conflict for decades. For this reason, it is not merely scientists and activists who call for swift and forceful action - it is military leaders in my country and others who understand that our common security hangs in the balance."

    "Freedom from want," is glossed over as a problem of war causation, and so Climate Change is alleged, instead, to be the ultimate cause of war.

    Obama could actually assert, ". . . .I am responsible for the deployment of thousands of young Americans to battle in a distant land. Some will kill. Some will be killed. . . ." This anyone knows. "War, in one form or another, appeared with the first man." Actually, no one even knows who that was. "In today's wars, many more civilians are killed, than soldiers."

    Humanity has somehow evolved(?)! That is why the Mission in Afghanistan is imperative to America?!

    Does anyone notice that this is policy, up topside, in the West Wing?

    Obama gave credit to the non-violent movement which gave original impetus, prior to his birth, for the fact of an Obama presidency. And then he goes on--this is in there: "A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince Al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms."

    What three antecedents precede all three blunders? (1) The original Nazi's couldn't even take over a beer hall in Germany! (2) The 19 perpetrators of 9/11 are dead, and their group was so tiny as to be virtually unheard of. (3) The mission into Afghanistan originates of a few in the West Wing, and a few in the Pentagon.

    A non-violent movement, called a presidential election, is actually in place that had been expected to eliminate the United States military threat to the Middle East from the planet.

    Oslo went mad, but as is usual: So has the Washington Press Corps. This policy announcement is that war is universal, and to be condoned! This likely won't fly. Even von Clausewitz knew that real war is short, potent, and diligent. The Washington. D. C. press corps does not so-state. Liberal opposition has yet to so-state.

    The United States even still has a general Betrayus in uniform, and in command, in contrast to the general concept of war.

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken Not Stirred!"
    (Anyone has to wonder where Miss Pussy was, anymore, in all of this. Apparently even Tiger Woods is pulling out of golf! General Eisenhower, as President, was actually also famous for golf!)
     
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    What a vapid column.
     
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    Anti-War it is!

    Clearly, teaching is not possible, at any grade level, without the doctoral degree: Unless it is believed that some kids are better than the other kids, and that all the other kids are not worth the extra effort!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (And so in the tradition of a U. S. Giving Nation, Afghanistan too now gets the food, blankets, body armor and humanity--That Americans won't keep for themselves! Aboriton would have been cheaper, and far more Christian in compassion!)
     
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    Good argument for isolationism! Very good! Thank You!
     
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    Clausewitz was not a 'barbarian' he was a military officer and theorist during the Napoleonic wars.
     
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    WillowTree, do you even know what isolationism is? As opposed to unilateralism? As opposed to multilateralism? You are making statements as stupid as does Dude.
     
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    Getting back to the dull, lifeless-mostly incoherent Obama "World Peace" address: Von Clausewitz was german- born, when there was none. He would in fact finally hook up with the czarist military of Russia.

    Barbarian we are discussing, and vapid, then and now.

    Notice that even the equation of "military" with "foreign relations," has been attempted in this thread by one poster. The attempt seems to be to equate "anti-war" with "isolationism."

    Barbarian it is!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Even now as Tiger Woods looks to the condom manufaturers for a sponsor: World Class is missing, somehow, from the Administration and Nobel Committee insistence on the need for peace through war!)
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    Obama's constant self-absorbencies were on full display in Norway.

    He's there to receive a prize for peace and he spits in their faces by declaring that sometimes war is a necessity. I'm afraid he can't have it both ways.

    I think the main point of contention anyone could have with this empty suit is that he's never consistent. His mixed messages cause a perpetual state of uncertainty to prevail.
     
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    My only point concerning mudwhistle is that he (she?) is inconsistent other than in hatred of BHO. OK. I get it. Let's move on.
     

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