Big Fitz
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Indie... don't forget there are many factors that go into what creates an economic boom. It's kinda like doing a space shot. If you don't do and understand the math beforehand, you're going to miss your target most likely. It's about loading the chances of success. Here's a nice quip about preparation and knowing what's going on. Just the first minute is all:All the correlary / causation mistake. It's something we all must be careful of.That's because I didn't assert it. But based on that logic (i.e. that lowering or raising taxes alone, causes "booms"), raising taxes in America would cause the biggest possible boom.
As would converting to a Theocratic Monarchy! Because Saudi Arabia is RICH baby!
My assertation was this: It's not that simple. The fact that the lower tax rates has nothing more for Ireland in the last three years, than countries with higher tax rates, would support this.
There are multiple factors that effect a national economy.
FITZ!!! Nice to see a little IQ coming from the Conservative side of this one! Exactly!
Since Saudi Arabia is a Theocratic Monarchy then that must be the Best way to insure a wealthy economy!
Since Ireland's economy improved when they had low tax rates then low tax rates alone must be the cause of a good economy BUT this isn't Ireland SO
Since America experienced a huge boom during a period of HIGH tax rates and CRASHED after the rates had been lowered for a while THEN High Tax rates must be what is best for America!
I mean, it's not like natural resources, technology, wars, stock market manipulations, natural and other catastrophes, over-regulation of say oh COAL and other industries , globalization, the Reversing of the Industrial Revolution and so on effect a country's economy!
Nope! It's just one thing! Low taxes! Which is why Ireland is so prosperous right now! Oops.
I think people need to quit taking one soundbite off of FOX or MSNBC and equating it to the panacea of all woes....
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnnLOg5R-IA]Blackadder The Third - Meeting The Actors - YouTube[/ame]
Getting drunk, putting on a silly hat and trust their luck is no way to be a good actor OR economist. In context that means that you can load the dice for success by understanding the effects of government policy on economic improvement. If you tax too much, business goes to where they can profit better. Regulate too little, and society is abused by activities that take advantage of the unaware, and make things unstable for business to succeed.
Lowering taxes to a level that corporations do not find onerous and actually encourages them to pay it because things are worse elsewhere (like Ireland is doing to the rest of the Eurozone) is one excellent example. Of course, low taxes and lacking other fundamentals will not help you much to either start, sustain or expand economic growth if not coupled with many other effects that pull business to a nation and facilitate it's growth and thereby a nation's prosperity.
That said, Ireland is doing the right thing. The rest of Europe is losing out to them, and they do not want to free themselves from the large tax revenues from those remaining businesses that haven't or cannot leave for greener pastures.
Money removed from private hands for public coffers is money that no longer earns and grows, no matter what the public sector employees screaming "We pay taxes too" think. Of course they do. It's a giant system interlinked, but... it requires so much cash to keep it alive, and therefore that money never leaves the system. Think of it like a city water system. You fill the system up, and then it dispenses water to the taps. Until that system is full (every tank, cistern and pipe having a full measure of water) you really can't have it function. The same with a government. Now, after the system is full, it dispenses as much as goes in to it usually, unless it is growing. Then the new parts need to be filled, so more water is needed to stay in system so it works once the growth has stopped. If you decrease the water levels in the system, problems, possibly severe, happen. Think of an 'air hammer' in the pipes of your house if your water ever got shut off at the main for a little while. Suddenly you have air in the pipes and the system makes a helluva lot of noise and possibly causes damage as the water comes back up to the faucet. That's the danger of drops in water in the system. Of course, if you have a water treatment center at the end of the sewage system, you can send a portion of that water back in to keep the system functioning, but it is not perfect, and you will always need more water from an outside source, because not all water used goes back into the sewers and helps grow the city in other ways or is just lost through faults in the system or just plain entropy.
Why does this relate to government and taxes? Because tax revenue functions the same way. Once a government bureaucracy is built, it needs to stay full. This means that funding must be maintained or there will be trouble. Sure, the bureaucrats are paid, and they then pay taxes (like water out of the tap and ending up going back in through sewage treatment), but this only helps maintain the system level and it is far from perfect. Now there is only so much money the system can take in without hurting the total supply (much like LA draining the hell out of their aquifer). The more you demand, and faster you use it, the more you damage the source and prevent it from being used in other ways to help grow the economy.
So Ireland has dropped the intake because it needs the aquifer of funding to replenish, and the less you take out, the better chance it has to grow and allow you to gain more later if it ever needs to.
Like I said, there are many factors, and the overall view of economics must be understood before people go off on half baked ideas that are nothing more than short term cornucopias and long term death. Ireland's got the right idea. Europe... yeahhhh... not so much.