The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Unkotare]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Not a single instance of the Group of 6, you know, the actual Government of Japan making any offer at all.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I specifically ask for Government offers. Not some official or private citizen.

 

[Unkotare]

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[RetiredGySgt]

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Again dumb ass an offer by the ACTUAL Government of Japan all they ever authorized was an offer of a ceasefire return to 41 start lines except in China and no consequences to Japan for the war.

 

[Unkotare]

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[RetiredGySgt]

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Be specific and instead of a link to a newspaper article with words too small to read how about stating in your own words what the offer was and WHO actually made it? I know you won't cause the Japanese Government never offered peace except as I stated.

 

[Unkotare]

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[AMart]

To be fair, the Japanese plan targeted military assets. But Japanese air crews strafed civilian targets and at least one clearly marked hospital.

During the Sino-Japanese War, Nanking, the capital of China, falls to Japanese forces, and the Chinese government flees to Hankow, further inland along the Yangtze River.

To break the spirit of Chinese resistance, Japanese General Matsui Iwane ordered that the city of Nanking be destroyed. Much of the city was burned, and Japanese troops launched a campaign of atrocities against civilians. In what became known as the “Rape of Nanking,” the Japanese butchered an estimated 150,000 male “war prisoners,” massacred an additional 50,000 male civilians, and raped at least 20,000 women and girls of all ages, many of whom were mutilated or killed in the process.

Shortly after the end of World War II, Matsui was found guilty of war crimes by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East and executed.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-rape-of-nanking#:~:text=In%20what%20became%20known%20as,or%20killed%20in%20the%20process.

 

[Unkotare]

So the atomic bombs were dropped in revenge on behalf of China?

 

[Unkotare]

Aug 14, 1965, page 1 - Chicago Tribune at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Chicago Tribune dated Aug 14, 1965, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

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two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms. Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt “MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician.”

Specifically, the terms of the Japanese peace offers of late January 1945 were as follows:

• Full surrender of the Japanese forces, air, land and sea, at home and in all occupied countries.
• Surrender of all arms and ammunition.
• Agreement of the Japanese to occupation of their homeland and island possessions.
• Relinquishment of Manchuria, Korea and Formosa.
• Regulation of Japanese industry.
• Surrender of designated war criminals for trial.
• Release of all prisoners.

Other than retention of the emperor these terms were identical to the final surrender terms. Harry Elmer Barnes, in his essay “Hiroshima: Assault on a Beaten Foe,” published in the May 10, 1958 issue of the National Review, tells the same story. Barnes said that the Trohan article was never challenged by the White House or the State Department, and says that after MacArthur returned from Korea in 1951, his neighbor in the Waldorf Towers, former President Hoover, took the Trohan article to General MacArthur and the latter confirmed its accuracy in every detail. The Trohan story was ignored by other news media and almost immediately dropped off the public radar."

 

[braalian]

So, it was obviously stupid of them not to submit to unconditional surrender. Again, was the stupid emperor that important?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why don't you simply read up your own quoted sources??!!!!

Only born deniers like you, will start to discuss about facts, and will resort towards distorting facts via unproven statements.

Agent Orange is clearly a toxic chemical - simply due to beholding dioxin - the effects of dioxin are documented scientifically and well known by millions of Vietnamese and
by tens of thousands of your own US veterans.

Agent Orange Effects & Symptoms

Agent Orange was a toxic herbicide used during the Vietnam conflict from 1962 to 1971. The herbicide causes several health risks and cancers.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Agent Orange was a toxic, plant-killing chemical (herbicide) that the U.S. military used to clear foliage during the Vietnam conflict. Exposure to the herbicide causes Agent Orange effects, which include cancer, congenital (birth) disorders and life-threatening health complications.
Agent Orange was extremely deadly because the U.S. sprayed 20 times more than the manufacturer recommended in the environment.
The U.S. banned the use and production of the herbicide in 1971 after evidence of the deadly and harmful effects of Agent Orange became apparent.

Toxic Chemicals: according to your own given source:
1. “Chemical Weapons” means the following, together or separately:

1. Toxic chemicals.....

2. “Toxic Chemical” means:
Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals.

Did you even bother to read my post where I broke down the percentage of dioxin in Agent Orange? It's a trace element in the final chemical.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yeah, but when they realized they were in over their head, why didn’t they surrender? They should’ve tapped out way sooner.

Because right up until the Emperor surrendered the militarists who were in total control of Japan thought they could achieve their minimum ends if the killed enough Americans AND Japanese to sicken the US population and make us end the war in a manner favorable to Japan.

 

[AZrailwhale]

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To misquote Inigo Montaya, I do not think that means what you think it does. Nothing in that article came from official Japanese government sources.

 

[Unkotare]

So, it was obviously stupid of them not to submit to unconditional surrender. Again, was the stupid emperor that important?

Somebody must have thought so since we allowed him to remain after surrender anyway.

 

[Mushroom]

Why don't you simply read up your own quoted sources?

OMG, too funny.

You scream I did not read my own source, then you spout off nonsense form another source that has nothing to do with the actual legal authority on this. The Geneva Convention and the UN.

You really are way out in left field. Just like this entire thread has been since it started.

 

[Mushroom]

Not a single instance of the Group of 6, you know, the actual Government of Japan making any offer at all.

Yes, which I have brought up to him many times. Even quoting the secret dispatches from their Foreign Minister to their ambassador to the Soviet Union. Where their own ambassador was telling them over and over that they had to get serious about accepting a surrender, and Foreign Minister Togo refusing to even consider it. That was about two weeks before the bombs.

Or the votes of the meetings of the Privy Council. Who the day of the first bomb voted 6 to 0 to fight to the end no matter what.

They have absolutely no grasp of reality or history, and reject it in favor of their delusional beliefs.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, which I have brought up to him many times. Even quoting the secret dispatches from their Foreign Minister to their ambassador to the Soviet Union. Where their own ambassador was telling them over and over that they had to get serious about accepting a surrender, and Foreign Minister Togo refusing to even consider it. That was about two weeks before the bombs.

Or the votes of the meetings of the Privy Council. Who the day of the first bomb voted 6 to 0 to fight to the end no matter what.

They have absolutely no grasp of reality or history, and reject it in favor of their delusional beliefs.

Its pointless to argue with the libs who want to bash America

They will troll this topic for as long as we indulge them

 

[Mushroom]

To misquote Inigo Montaya, I do not think that means what you think it does. Nothing in that article came from official Japanese government sources.

I have asked Poophead about that many times.

For example, how exactly did General MacArthur get this peace mission? Because I have never found any records anywhere that he actually met with representatives of the Government prior to the surrender.

Also, who authorized it? They already had an active mission through their Ambassador to the Soviet Union, and he was given authorization absolutely nothing like that. In fact, he himself was almost begging for Japan to accept Potsdam, and Foreign Minister Togo more or less told him to shut the hell up and Potsdam would never be accepted.

Yet amazingly, here is such an offer. Who from and how it was delivered? Who knows. But ignoring all of the huge logical inconsistencies, they still believe in it. I guess they also still believe in the Tooth Fairy also.