The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Markle]

So you think total war is justified. I don’t.

So...specifically what does a country do when total war is declared on them?

 

[Markle]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

Actually, it was just another weapon in war that had seen so many of them built and used.

Most of this Angst after the war came when both the US and USSR built enough bombs to end civilization, and then we got all worked up about it.

I've said this before. The Japanese Empire was the most fanatical enemy the US has ever faced. They make ISIS look like Care Bears. In just over three years, Japan threw 5,000 suicide attacks at Allied forces. They engaged in chemical and biological warfare. They executed Allied prisoners of war and starved thousands more to death.

The application to two, rather small, nuclear devices, killing 170,000 persons, quickly changed Japan from a fanatical, fascist state to pacifist capitalists.

As weapons of war go, this has to be one of the most efficient ever created and quite effective when used on a small scale.

Is that a justification for mass murdering thousands of defenseless women and children?

Think before posting.

learn some history before making yourself look stupid

WAY too late for that!

 

[Aponi]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

 

[Markle]

It appears that "gipper" is contesting for a place in the top five Trolls on USMB.

 

[Aponi]

I agree and the Japanese civilians were ready to fight for the emperor to the death as the japenese were well known to do.

Yes the bomb killed a a lot of people but probally saved millions of lives.

 

[Aponi]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

Yeah...mass murder civilians of a defenseless nation ready to surrender, based on inaccurate information.

Ike said don’t drop those bombs. Admiral Leahy said don’t drop those bombs.

They were no where close to surrender

 

[Unkotare]

I agree and the Japanese civilians were ready to fight for the emperor to the death as the japenese were well known to do.

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Because Doctor Seuss told you so? Don’t be stupid. The civilian population consisted by then mostly of starving women, children, and the elderly.

 

[Aponi]

Japense soldiers who often kill themself or fight to the death.
It was not the japense way to surrender.

 

[fncceo]

Because Doctor Seuss told you so?

Everything I need to know, I learned from Dr. Seuss.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Japan knew that they had lost the war before we even invaded Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The Battle of Leyte Gulf was their last gasp. They had no navy left, and their fuel supplies were gone. Not only did they intentionally order their soldiers to fight to the death, knowing that they had lost the war, but they made no attempt to open negotiations with the USA for surrender. As for us, we were only concentrating on reducing our casualties, and in winning the peace, against the Soviets. The Japanese military government was simply considered an impediment that needed to be destroyed quickly, and at the least possible cost in Allied casualties.

 

[Unkotare]

Because Doctor Seuss told you so?

Everything I need to know, I learned from Dr. Seuss.

Couldn’t find the one vilifying Japanese Americans?

 

[Unkotare]

Japense soldiers who often kill themself or fight to the death.
It was not the japense way to surrender.

The weak-minded lap up stereotypes like a saucer of milk.

 

[bodecea]

You and the quoted writer are both morons.

Plan B was massive conventional bombing and a land invasion, in which many hundreds of thousands of Japanese and tens of thousands of Americans would have perished.

The Bomb(s) was the more humanitarian approach. People who always look to make America look bad are stupid swine.

Who said we had to invade? Just bomb them and cut them off til they surrendered.

 

[Unkotare]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

Yeah...mass murder civilians of a defenseless nation ready to surrender, based on inaccurate information.

Ike said don’t drop those bombs. Admiral Leahy said don’t drop those bombs.

They were no where close to surrender

Wrong

 

[fncceo]

Because Doctor Seuss told you so?

Everything I need to know, I learned from Dr. Seuss.

Couldn’t find the one vilifying Japanese Americans?

Since we had already thrown them into concentration camps, that might be considered a bit too much. The 2nd World War was, thankfully, the last time we made a concerted effort to demonize an ethnicity for the sake of wartime propaganda.

It certainly wasn't the end of institutional racism, but we have made a lot of progress since 1945.

 

[fncceo]

You and the quoted writer are both morons.

Plan B was massive conventional bombing and a land invasion, in which many hundreds of thousands of Japanese and tens of thousands of Americans would have perished.

The Bomb(s) was the more humanitarian approach. People who always look to make America look bad are stupid swine.

Who said we had to invade? Just bomb them and cut them off til they surrendered.

By 1945, Americans were growing tired of the war. I honestly don't think America had the political will to spend another five years or more starving Japan out. Especially not if photos of starving Japanese kids ever found their way into the American press. A negotiated peace agreement with Japan would have left the militarists in power and set the table for a second helping of the 2nd World War. It might even have allowed Japan to retain its possessions in Manchuria and Korea.

Even by 1944, some American newspapers (major papers, not just fringe) were questioning why we didn't make a separate peace with Germany rather than insisting on total surrender. There are analysts who speculate that if the Battle of the Bulge had gone better for Germany and dealt the Allies a significant setback, that Americans, already tired of the war, would have pushed for a peace deal with Germany that could have left Hitler in power. This had to be in the back of Hitler's mind when he called for one final offensive against the Americans in the Ardenne.

Bringing the war to a quick climax was possibly the best outcome we could have achieved.

 

[Picaro]

Both bomb targets were factory districts, so no problemo with wiping them out. Re the Russians, the bombs also kept them from ripping off further territory. Stalin only finally declared war on Japan after we had reduced them to nothing and he saw a chance to take territory at no cost to himself, so screw them, too.

As for all the hypocritical whining about 'civilians', Japan wasn't noted for its humanitarian occupations, and most of its people enthusiastically cheered their butchers on in their murderous conquest for decades, including those here in the U.S., so spare us the Pity Party; they don't rate one. They wanted war they got one, and just because they lost to us doesn't make them martyrs and hapless lil victims, like the sewer rats on the left keep trying to sell us on.

Still whining about the internment of Japs, are we? lol what a stupid meme.

 

[Unkotare]

Anyone who would talk about AMERICAN CITIZENS like that ^^^^^^ is NOT a real American, just another scumbag.

 

[Picaro]

Even by 1944, some American newspapers (major papers, not just fringe) were questioning why we didn't make a separate peace with Germany rather than insisting on total surrender. There are analysts who speculate that if the Battle of the Bulge had gone better for Germany and dealt the Allies a significant setback, that Americans, already tired of the war, would have pushed for a peace deal with Germany that could have left Hitler in power. This had to be in the back of Hitler's mind when he called for one final offensive against the Americans in the Ardenne.

Bringing the war to a quick climax was possibly the best outcome we could have achieved.

The firebombing killed more than the nukes, and an invasion would certainly have killed a lot more, so the sniveling over 'civilian casualties' is just simpering dishonest spin doctoring, re us 'Evul Amurkins n stuff', mostly about bashing Democrats with ridiculous bs 'history'. As for the 'separate peace' speculation, that wasn't going to happen, the fiasco with Wilson's attempts being still fresh in most policy wonks' memories at the time; it was a huge mistake when Wilson tried it, three times, and would have been a huge mistake again. No way any President was going to accept any kind of deal, especially one that left Hitler in power.

 

[Picaro]

Anyone who would talk about AMERICAN CITIZENS like that ^^^^^^ is NOT a real American, just another scumbag.

Sorry moron, but a third of them were not citizens, and were never going to be, shithead, and the rest were huge fans of their home country's conquests and butchery, had the parades celebrating them, had charities sending their beloved troops care packages, the whole works, and had Japanese in Hawaii helping downed pilots to boot, so the precaution of interning them was completely justified, you sick gimp. Tough shit your parents spent your reparations, because you ain't getting any more.