The Tea Party and the debt ceiling

[DontBeStupid]

Isn't it funny that Conservatives never bring up race? It's the racist lieberals who do it every time..

Bringing up race doesn't make one a racist. Saying you'll never vote for anything "that one" supports, yeah, that kinda does.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is always fascinating to me to read the account of an event by staunch pro-Obama, pro-Democrat, pro-big government people like Klein and Collender--okay Klein wasn't there but he picked and chose the parts of the interview he wanted to emphasize. . . .

. . . .and then read the accounts of conservative, small federal government, pro personal freedom Tea Party supporters.

You would have a difficult time believing they attended the same event; sometimes even believing that they inhabit the same country. Or planet.

More especially when I've seen video after video that simply don't show the 'screaming' and 'disrespect' that Collender seemed to see and hear.

 

[WillowTree]

Right,, cause obiewan killed off millions of jobs. no jobs no revenue.. you idiot

I like how in your rush to try and make insults from his name you have instead referred to him as the coolest Jedi of all time.

I'll call him anything but the P word. obiewan.. is good.. only usually I say obiewanknownothing but I'm in a good mood today..

 

[ShackledNation]

Isn't it funny that Conservatives never bring up race? It's the racist lieberals who do it every time..

Bringing up race doesn't make one a racist. Saying you'll never vote for anything "that one" supports, yeah, that kinda does.

You can make the case for demagoguery, not racism.

 

[WillowTree]

Isn't it funny that Conservatives never bring up race? It's the racist lieberals who do it every time..

Bringing up race doesn't make one a racist. Saying you'll never vote for anything "that one" supports, yeah, that kinda does.

we cannot support him, he sent us to the back of da bus..but I guess that's infinitely better than under da bus.

 

[Dot Com]

Boehner's between a rock & a hard place

 

[peach174]

Isn't it funny that Conservatives never bring up race? It's the racist lieberals who do it every time..

Bringing up race doesn't make one a racist. Saying you'll never vote for anything "that one" supports, yeah, that kinda does.

we cannot support him, he sent us to the back of da bus..but I guess that's infinitely better than under da bus.

The back of the bus? He's driving us over the cliff in the bus.

 

[mike beev]

If you spend more than you make in the private sector, you do not force your employer to give you more money. You spend less. And that is what the government must do. This is a spending problem.

And no business in the private sector would ever even consider increasing sales?

Ever?

Never?

Not under any circumstances?

No?

And if you go bankrupt, you get a bailout by the taxpayer. That's American corporate socialism

 

[Susan45]

I think this is something Obama didn't budget for. The Republicans are standing with the backs against the wall. They have no wiggle room at all.

The feeling of the average Tea Party person is that the reps were elected with a set of particular promises. They break their promises, they are unemployed.

Also, they have the expectation that Obama will fold. They feel they have seen him fold on issues more important than this.

One think I do think is universal in Tea Party folks like myself is the feeling that Obama has manufactured this crisis in order to play to the gallery.

So the Tea Party position on the negotiations is
1) Obama is not being sincere
2) They have their backs to the wall and they can't retreat even if they wanted to
3) Obama has no strength of conviction on anything, and he will fold

I honestly don't believe that there has been an issue more important. It hasn't been Obama's doing that has caused the right to say they will never compromise. I believe that politics is using compromise to come to a point where we can actually get things done.

But Baruch, from what I have seen there are several groups that call themselves the real tea partiers. And it seems to me they don't always agree. Is this what you think or is that impression of mine wrong?

 

[WillowTree]

Boehner's between a rock & a hard place

BaaaRak and a hard place.

 

[mike beev]

Well look what happened when the Dem's didn't listen to the voters about the Health Care Bill.
Dem's have totally forgotten that they work for the people. Republicans are doing what they were hired to do. Listen to their bosses, we the people.
We hire them ,we pay their salary's and we fire them. We the people are the boss.
Dem's are not suppose to be the leader of the people. That's why they got fired. They didn't listen to their bosses.

Is it really "we the people" who are unwilling to raise the tax rate on a hedge fund manager who pays 15% income tax on the $900 million dollars made in 2009? Is it "we the people" who don't want to close a tax break for a copmany's expense incurred in closing his American factory and shipping it over to China? Or is it the top 1% who currently own about 40% of the entire wealth of the country and still want more?

 

[Susan45]

Well look what happened when the Dem's didn't listen to the voters about the Health Care Bill.
Dem's have totally forgotten that they work for the people. Republicans are doing what they were hired to do. Listen to their bosses, we the people.
We hire them ,we pay their salary's and we fire them. We the people are the boss.
Dem's are not suppose to be the leader of the people. That's why they got fired. They didn't listen to their bosses.

Most of the Dems are listening to those that voted them in and are doing what we want. Maybe you think we Dems shouldn't be the leader, but the GOP hasn't done such a bang-up jog. Bush was a disaster, with two wars and massive tax cuts he precipitated this unholy mess whether you want to admit it or not. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of buyers remorse in the next election, like we did in NY-26.

I'll bet there are very few people that wouldn't go back to the economy of the 90's. And actually those are the tax brackets the the Dems would like to go back to.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why is it okay for Obama to refuse to compromise on any issue and then express outrage that the GOP is unyielding? It's like he says "How dare you be as intransigent as I am?"

And then solemnly pronounces that Social Security recipients might not get their checks if the GOP continues to be so stubborn. There are a gazillion other places to not send checks other than Social Security recipients but to play that fear card instead of agreeing to ANY compromise is reprehensible.

David Limbaugh asked the question this week, "Has anybody ever told this President 'no' before he became President?" It is a very good question.

 

[whitehall]

tea baggers are so scared of the President, they have to lie, make shit up, and just plain pout.

I hope "old saltie" doesn't represent typical intelligent liberal thinking ...but I fear that he does.

 

[ShackledNation]

I think this is something Obama didn't budget for. The Republicans are standing with the backs against the wall. They have no wiggle room at all.

The feeling of the average Tea Party person is that the reps were elected with a set of particular promises. They break their promises, they are unemployed.

Also, they have the expectation that Obama will fold. They feel they have seen him fold on issues more important than this.

One think I do think is universal in Tea Party folks like myself is the feeling that Obama has manufactured this crisis in order to play to the gallery.

So the Tea Party position on the negotiations is
1) Obama is not being sincere
2) They have their backs to the wall and they can't retreat even if they wanted to
3) Obama has no strength of conviction on anything, and he will fold

I honestly don't believe that there has been an issue more important. It hasn't been Obama's doing that has caused the right to say they will never compromise. I believe that politics is using compromise to come to a point where we can actually get things done.

But Baruch, from what I have seen there are several groups that call themselves the real tea partiers. And it seems to me they don't always agree. Is this what you think or is that impression of mine wrong?

I think you can divide the tea party into two main ideological groups. On the one hand, you have the independent, fiscal conservative, and libertarian wing that is concerned with small government, and does not look positively on foreign interventionism or government involvement in personal matters. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who are for small government in economics but still support socially statist policies and are less critical of the warfare state.

To me it is basically the Ron Paul side and the Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin side.

 

[Foxfyre]

tea baggers are so scared of the President, they have to lie, make shit up, and just plain pout.

I hope "old saltie" doesn't represent typical intelligent liberal thinking ...but I fear that he does.

Yep. They sometimes rearrange or alternate the terms in the issued talking points, but the mantra is pretty predictable.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think this is something Obama didn't budget for. The Republicans are standing with the backs against the wall. They have no wiggle room at all.

The feeling of the average Tea Party person is that the reps were elected with a set of particular promises. They break their promises, they are unemployed.

Also, they have the expectation that Obama will fold. They feel they have seen him fold on issues more important than this.

One think I do think is universal in Tea Party folks like myself is the feeling that Obama has manufactured this crisis in order to play to the gallery.

So the Tea Party position on the negotiations is
1) Obama is not being sincere
2) They have their backs to the wall and they can't retreat even if they wanted to
3) Obama has no strength of conviction on anything, and he will fold

I honestly don't believe that there has been an issue more important. It hasn't been Obama's doing that has caused the right to say they will never compromise. I believe that politics is using compromise to come to a point where we can actually get things done.

But Baruch, from what I have seen there are several groups that call themselves the real tea partiers. And it seems to me they don't always agree. Is this what you think or is that impression of mine wrong?

I think you can divide the tea party into two main ideological groups. On the one hand, you have the independent, fiscal conservative, and libertarian wing that is concerned with small government, and does not look positively on foreign interventionism or government involvement in personal matters. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who are for small government in economics but still support socially statist policies and are less critical of the warfare state.

To me it is basically the Ron Paul side and the Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin side.

I am unaware of a Tea Party group in ANY state that is focused on ANY way on social issues. All I've seen are counseling their members to stay away from these when they speak for Tea Party views. That there are members in the Tea Party who support this or that social issue is a completely different thing and separate from the Tea Party movement.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Why is it okay for Obama to refuse to compromise on any issue and then express outrage that the GOP is unyielding?

Huh??

This president caves in more than a West Virginia coal mine!




(too soon?)

 

[Sactowndog]

Whatever trillion or so obie dick raises the deb ceiling by the


T axed E nough Already



folks know that they'll be stuck paying the bills.. Not the markets..

You idiot. The reason the debt ceiling is being raised is because there aren't enough tax revenues to cover the spending.

If you spend more than you make in the private sector, you do not force your employer to give you more money. You spend less. And that is what the government must do. This is a spending problem.

If you are incredibly stupid that is what you do. If you are smart you also look for new markets and new revenue opportunities in addition to cutting. Those who cut to the bone in bad times rarely recover.

 

[peach174]

Well look what happened when the Dem's didn't listen to the voters about the Health Care Bill.
Dem's have totally forgotten that they work for the people. Republicans are doing what they were hired to do. Listen to their bosses, we the people.
We hire them ,we pay their salary's and we fire them. We the people are the boss.
Dem's are not suppose to be the leader of the people. That's why they got fired. They didn't listen to their bosses.

Is it really "we the people" who are unwilling to raise the tax rate on a hedge fund manager who pays 15% income tax on the $900 million dollars made in 2009? Is it "we the people" who don't want to close a tax break for a copmany's expense incurred in closing his American factory and shipping it over to China? Or is it the top 1% who currently own about 40% of the entire wealth of the country and still want more?

It's you who is believing that divide and conquer crap.
The wealthy pay 37% of the taxes. 50% of this counrty is paying taxes, that leaves the rest of us paying at 13%. They are paying their fare share already.
We the people want to change the tax system.
If it didn't cost so much in regulations, taxes and union bosses who make it way too expensive to hire people and health care costs, they would not have gone over seas.