Lovebears65
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I think its wrong . All the voted members in congress should be there for the debate not just a selected few. ‪Is Super Congress Constitutional?‬‏ - YouTube
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It is a very interesting concept that borders on being unconstitutional. Tax bills have to be originated in the House, that cannot be delegated to the group. What I find likely is that nothing will get agreed on and automatic cuts to Social security, Medicare and entitlement programs take effect that have already been agreed to. The Repubs have the winning hand here and do not have to do anything. I wonder how many of the 6 seats the Repubs have will be T party. And why did they pick an even number?
These are very strange days in politics. Super Congress? Lobbyists just need to focus on 12....sounds like a recipe for corruption to me. But....I'm just a nut for even thinking that way, huh?
If the committee was just advisory and anything agreed to was put to the chambers then it would be constitutional. However the triggers and other powers they are delegating to the committee circumvent the essence of the Constitution and therefore makes those things unconstitutional. I suspect there will be legal action taken challenging the constitutionality of those powers, derived or otherwise delegated.
If the committee was just advisory and anything agreed to was put to the chambers then it would be constitutional. However the triggers and other powers they are delegating to the committee circumvent the essence of the Constitution and therefore makes those things unconstitutional. I suspect there will be legal action taken challenging the constitutionality of those powers, derived or otherwise delegated.
I am not sure that any proposals from the SuperDuperPooperScooper Committee have any impact on what will happen OTHER THAN that they make the proposals to the entire House.
If that's wrong, and if you're right, though, then this is an egregious and cowardly effort to delegate non-delegable responsibilities.
My understanding is that the Super Committee makes proposals that the Congress then has a deadline to enact (or not). If the Congress fails to enact the proposals, then the triggers theoretically kick in "automatically."
It is a very interesting concept that borders on being unconstitutional. Tax bills have to be originated in the House, that cannot be delegated to the group. What I find likely is that nothing will get agreed on and automatic cuts to Social security, Medicare and entitlement programs take effect that have already been agreed to. The Repubs have the winning hand here and do not have to do anything. I wonder how many of the 6 seats the Repubs have will be T party. And why did they pick an even number?
Really? Defense spending will be hit the hardest if there is no action. Doesn't sound like the GOP won to me.
If the committee was just advisory and anything agreed to was put to the chambers then it would be constitutional. However the triggers and other powers they are delegating to the committee circumvent the essence of the Constitution and therefore makes those things unconstitutional. I suspect there will be legal action taken challenging the constitutionality of those powers, derived or otherwise delegated.
I am not sure that any proposals from the SuperDuperPooperScooper Committee have any impact on what will happen OTHER THAN that they make the proposals to the entire House.
If that's wrong, and if you're right, though, then this is an egregious and cowardly effort to delegate non-delegable responsibilities.
My understanding is that the Super Committee makes proposals that the Congress then has a deadline to enact (or not). If the Congress fails to enact the proposals, then the triggers theoretically kick in "automatically."
Then lack of a proposal gives the the committee derived powers to enact those cuts. I have been hearing rumors of other powers but yet to see anything concrete. To me the whole thing is cowardly way to get out of doing what we sent them for.
It is a very interesting concept that borders on being unconstitutional. Tax bills have to be originated in the House, that cannot be delegated to the group. What I find likely is that nothing will get agreed on and automatic cuts to Social security, Medicare and entitlement programs take effect that have already been agreed to. The Repubs have the winning hand here and do not have to do anything. I wonder how many of the 6 seats the Repubs have will be T party. And why did they pick an even number?
Really? Defense spending will be hit the hardest if there is no action. Doesn't sound like the GOP won to me.
Why would the GOP have lost if defense spending is cut? The implication in your post is the GOP benefits from defense contractors earning billions and sharing the governments largess with the Republican Party.
We spend more on defense than any other country; we have two large oceans and a solid ally to our North, and enough nuclear weapons to annihilate any nation on earth. Yet 19 Saudis set in motion the economic destruction of our country.
Lets bring most of our troops home, let the world know we will no longer police the world.
Fair trade yes, free trade under unfair conditions, NO longer!
Pay down our debt, but first reduce deficit spending. Job one, cut the pay and benefits of each member of Congress, and impose merit pay. The way they are acting suggests merit pay for this Congress is ZERO.
Really? Defense spending will be hit the hardest if there is no action. Doesn't sound like the GOP won to me.
Why would the GOP have lost if defense spending is cut? The implication in your post is the GOP benefits from defense contractors earning billions and sharing the governments largess with the Republican Party.
We spend more on defense than any other country; we have two large oceans and a solid ally to our North, and enough nuclear weapons to annihilate any nation on earth. Yet 19 Saudis set in motion the economic destruction of our country.
Lets bring most of our troops home, let the world know we will no longer police the world.
Fair trade yes, free trade under unfair conditions, NO longer!
Pay down our debt, but first reduce deficit spending. Job one, cut the pay and benefits of each member of Congress, and impose merit pay. The way they are acting suggests merit pay for this Congress is ZERO.
Not my implication, just your projecting, wry. The GOP doesn't want deep cuts in defense spending...please show me where I'm wrong.
Why would the GOP have lost if defense spending is cut? The implication in your post is the GOP benefits from defense contractors earning billions and sharing the governments largess with the Republican Party.
We spend more on defense than any other country; we have two large oceans and a solid ally to our North, and enough nuclear weapons to annihilate any nation on earth. Yet 19 Saudis set in motion the economic destruction of our country.
Lets bring most of our troops home, let the world know we will no longer police the world.
Fair trade yes, free trade under unfair conditions, NO longer!
Pay down our debt, but first reduce deficit spending. Job one, cut the pay and benefits of each member of Congress, and impose merit pay. The way they are acting suggests merit pay for this Congress is ZERO.
Not my implication, just your projecting, wry. The GOP doesn't want deep cuts in defense spending...please show me where I'm wrong.
You ought not use words you don't undestand; projection it is not, suggesting it was my inference would have been an approprite response, if and only if you had an explanation for why I was incorrect.
If it was not your intention what was? Suggesting Democrats don't care about national defense is bullshit, which is one other inference you might offer. Why did the GOP lose in your opinion? We both know, but you're too dishonest to acknowledge it.
The unconstitutional train rolls on. No, nothing could ever go wrong here.
The unconstitutional train rolls on. No, nothing could ever go wrong here.
Never heard of anything so idiotic.
The unconstitutional train rolls on. No, nothing could ever go wrong here.
Never heard of anything so idiotic.