The Sins of a Nation

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    It is often said that America is an evil nation for slavery but where do our sins exists? Do they exist within the collective identity of the "the nation" or do they lye with the identity of the individual himself? No one denies that when a person commits wrong they are culpable for that wrong but are those who chose otherwise equally culpable? Is one-hundred percent of the collective culpable even if one person chose otherwise?

    This means that the guiltless individual nullifies the sin of the collective since one person can remove the sin from the whole and place it back on the individual(s) who committed the original sin.

    This is also true for any sin, good deed, behavior, or characteristic that we attribute with the collective. This makes it impossible to assign any characteristic of personhood to the collective since the individual can shatter that collective person by their own unique personhood.

    The collective 'person' simply does not exist because it is impossible for every individual within the collective to have the same personality that a uniform collective needs in order to exists.
     
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    The collective that helps within the decision process makes up the whole. If one within that body of the collective pours out poison and the others ignore it are they not complicit in that act?
     
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    Who says that?
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    This is true.
    What you say is true, but equally applicable to the vast majority of posters on these boards. The posters on the right, like yourself, paint liberals with wide brushes, assuming that everyone who is a liberal either agrees with something ridiculous, or is blamed for the acts of the very few. The posters on the left do exactly the same thing.
     
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    No because you are only punished for you actions not your inactions because if I saw a man being mugged and chose to do nothing about it for whatever reasons would I be guilty of that actual crime of robbery or does that sin still remain in the hands of the robber himself.
     
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    I was trying to point out that the collective person does not exist.
     
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    And I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
     
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    Sin is a biblical term is it not? Is what you are saying is that if you have the ability to assist in stopping a robber, murder, etc... and you stand and watch doing nothing you would think you think you would have no accountability in the matter?
     
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    This makes you accountable to your own conscience and to God in the afterlife but only for the sin of not assisting not for the sin theft. At no point does the same God that judges us for our sins judge us for the sins of others and even if that person shared some guilt with the robber that shared guilt only exist between him and the robber. It does not exist between the robber and every person within society since not everyone had the power to stop the theif.
     
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    Obama will appologize for this in his next T.V apperance!!!!
     
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    God does judge the Nations aka corporate bodies of peoples in this life and each individual. Where do you think judgment takes place? It is right here in this world today, this is the valley, this is it the happening place, this is that "down here" place not the "up there" place where one stands to find what or where they will be going next.

    When a society benefits from something as a whole they also are accountable as a whole for any of those benefits that have came from any form of deceit or abuse and the whole will suffer the effects from these abuses.
     

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