The Real Jew?

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    Can US Jews be supportive of Israel but critical of its policies?

    Are such Jews not "real Jews?"

    Let's ask Ira Stup:

    "Ira Stup was raised in Philadelphia attending Jewish day school and camps. He found his home in the Jewish community and was “intoxicated with Jewish democracy” as framed in the ideals of Israel’s foundation.

    "Now he has returned deeply troubled from a one-year fellowship based in Tel Aviv.

    "The worst single incident occurred on Ben Yehuda Street in central Jerusalem. Stup, 24, a Columbia graduate, was returning from a rally with a couple of friends carrying a banner that said, 'Zionists are not settlers.'

    "A group of religious Jews wearing yarmulkes approached, spat on them and started punching.

    "About 20 people saw the whole thing and just watched. They were screaming, ‘You are not real Jews.’ Most of them were American.

    "It was one of the most disappointing moments of my life — you can disagree as much as you want with a banner but to allow violence and not react is outrageous.

    "'For me it was a turning point. Nobody previously had said I was not a real Jew.'”

    Ira has a simple question for Real Jews:

    "Why is it poisoning minds to encourage them to think critically about the actions of the Israeli government?"

    The Real Jew...
     
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    There are many jews who do not follow blindly what ever the current government of Isreal says.

    There will always be people who fail the moral test of what is wrong or what is right.

    Even in the jewish religion.

    The truth will win one day, that day is far away.
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTbBx622-8[/ame]
     
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    Jews do NOT have a single POV about Isreal.

    Naturally with an issue that is so complex and contentious, hot blooded people tend to over react.
     
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    Again, like the last time you brought this topic up, Why such a huge amount of hate for one particular group? Why are Jews different from Irish, Koreans, Germans, Kenyans?
     
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    We Jews who are connected with our belief and Israel have certain considerations that have followed us in the thousands and thousands and thousands of years in which we have been attacked with the attempts to render our race dissolute. We have evolved a genetic aversion towards anything that might be an attempt to dissolve us, and our history is taught to us well.

    So, Israel is ours again, and we will hold it until the end of times or the end of Israel as the history given to us by our one G-d.

    We were stewed in the repetition of forsaking our G-d and paying a heavy price.

    No more! Yes, there are those among us who decry Israel and have their own interpretations.

    They have been so at every nexus point in time where the Jews, as a people had to decide if it was worth it to continue on with the book, belief, traditions, etc. Keep in mind it is no simple easy thing to be a devoutly practicing Jew. The true devout do not see tradition, they are past that mundane thinking. They decry the Jewish fanatics. The Israeli people hold their government accountable, but the fear of dissolution is palpable and now, having their country again, they will not let it go unless it is the end of times and that time is not yet come.

    That's why I said I understand when Mike said Israel had to take the first hit for any American return response. I understand this thinking. Israel has been destroyed many times and rebuilt. There are those Jews who also believe that not only is this going to happen, but that it should happen in that way. Iran attempts to 'hasten' this ending for the ending is co-existent with their return of the "twelfth Imam."

    No other belief thinks they can hasten G-d's time. Iranian Shia leadership believe that they can.

    Their creation of a nuclear pile is not for protection I put forward. They say that they are not even creating one, that it is against their belief.

    Meanwhile they continue enriching uranium past the twenty percent need for medical isotopes.

    There is a reason why such a small population of slow breeding people should outlive all the Empires. Still we have those who want to ensure we as Jews are all gone, and if not gone, then Israel gone so that our book's ending is incomplete.

    To fulfill the prophesy we must have Israel. Jerusalem? Negotiable. We do not need Jerusalem to fulfill the prophesy. That's why we accepted the partition without Jerusalem in the first place. :eusa_shhh:

    There's much on the negotiating table if our Arabian brethren truly look towards a peace. That's the secular point of view. The true Jewish point of view is we must hold Israel whatever the cost.

    We will...

     
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    I suggest you made that up, got any proof?

    Hi, you have received -3 reputation points from Ropey.
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    Thanks, thats all the "proof" I need
     
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    I suggest that you have no understanding of any history. Research on your own. You might learn to remove yourself from your hate with reality.

    Somehow, I doubt it. I do not need to convince you. Others here will read, do their own research if they don't believe it, they will respond with questions.

    "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation."​



    You are stuck. :eusa_whistle:
     
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    Jennifer Peto's thesis is online
    Jennifer Peto's thesis, entitled The Victimhood of the Powerful: White Jews, Zionism and the Racism of Hegemonic Holocaust Education, is available at: http://hdl.handle.net/1807/24619

    Abstract:
     
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    I Already checked, There is no claim that Iran is "enriching uranium past the twenty percent need for medical isotopes." You made that up:eusa_liar:
     

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