The Racist Roots of Gun Control

[The2ndAmendment]

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[The2ndAmendment]

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[The2ndAmendment]

This thread shall be here for every minority to see.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Conservatives dont like the topic cause the civil rights movement has left a bad ring to the topic.

Libs dont like it cause they want everyone disarmed, but know that the general public is more willing to disarm blacks, so the libs start there with Draconian guncontrol laws in cities that are majority black.

Being around Democrats so much, no wonder blacks see almost everything the GOP says as code for racism; the libs have conditioned them to expect that stuff.

 

[Avatar4321]

Conservatives dont like the topic cause the civil rights movement has left a bad ring to the topic.

Libs dont like it cause they want everyone disarmed, but know that the general public is more willing to disarm blacks, so the libs start there with Draconian guncontrol laws in cities that are majority black.

Being around Democrats so much, no wonder blacks see almost everything the GOP says as code for racism; the libs have conditioned them to expect that stuff.

Conservatives dont have a problem with civil rights. We are the ones who pushed for it.

 

[bucs90]

White man in the country with a handgun: A great, 2nd amendment loving American.
Black man in the hood with a handgun: Thug, criminal low life

Black man shoots some people: Thug lowlife, kill him tomorrow, give him a 2x2 prison cell
White man shoots some people: He obviously has some mental illness. Sure, kill him, but, too bad we cant help his mental illness.

Yes, the gun control issue has some racial elements to it.

 

[asaratis]

Were these videos too much to handle?

No. It just takes time to watch them fully. With an intermission between them...to watch a bit of Duck Dynasty...it took me nigh on an hour to watch both.

I had no idea that guns prevent 500 rapes and 1100 murders....per day!

I had no idea the MLKJr requested armed guards for a march.

Thanks for posting this. I'll watch them again soon.

I'll have to spread some rep before hitting you again.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I provided the US Department of Justice Statistics to supplement your discovery.

I had no idea that guns prevent 500 rapes and 1100 murders....per day!

I had no idea the MLKJr requested armed guards for a march.

Thanks for posting this. I'll watch them again soon.

I'll have to spread some rep before hitting you again.

2nd Amendement -

The Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey reports that the probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller: offering no
resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than resisting with a gun.

Can we see a link for this study?

You are far more likely to survive
a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun.

Resisting with a gun 6%
Did nothing at all 25%
Resisted with a knife 40%
Non-violent resistance 45%

U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, 1979 60
Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey 61
U.S. Department of Justice 62
U.S. Department of Justice 63
British Home Office – no a pro-gun organization by any mean

From these same studies.

Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% are by women
defending themselves against sexual abuse.
Fact:
When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes are
successful, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact:
The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no
resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the
benefits are smaller: offering no resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than
resisting with a gun.

Fact:
27% of women keep a gun in the house.

Fact:
37.6 million women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact:
In 1966 the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms
training classes to women. The number of rapes dropped by nearly 90%.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/55878NCJRS.pdf

 

[jon_berzerk]

White man in the country with a handgun: A great, 2nd amendment loving American.
Black man in the hood with a handgun: Thug, criminal low life

Black man shoots some people: Thug lowlife, kill him tomorrow, give him a 2x2 prison cell
White man shoots some people: He obviously has some mental illness. Sure, kill him, but, too bad we cant help his mental illness.

Yes, the gun control issue has some racial elements to it.

everyone wants to kick around the NRA

however the NRA supported and defended the blacks

from the klan

Ann Coulter - April 18, 2012 - NEGROES WITH GUNS

 

[Bfgrn]

Conservatives dont like the topic cause the civil rights movement has left a bad ring to the topic.

Libs dont like it cause they want everyone disarmed, but know that the general public is more willing to disarm blacks, so the libs start there with Draconian guncontrol laws in cities that are majority black.

Being around Democrats so much, no wonder blacks see almost everything the GOP says as code for racism; the libs have conditioned them to expect that stuff.

Conservatives dont have a problem with civil rights. We are the ones who pushed for it.

REALLY? What conservative(s)?

Governor Ronald Reagan was the one who signed the Mumford Act in 1967 restricting guns in California? WHY?? Because BLACKS showed up at the state capital armed.

The Secret History of Guns

The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.



The eighth-grade students gathering on the west lawn of the state capitol in Sacramento were planning to lunch on fried chicken with California’s new governor, Ronald Reagan, and then tour the granite building constructed a century earlier to resemble the nation’s Capitol. But the festivities were interrupted by the arrival of 30 young black men and women carrying .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns, and .45-caliber pistols.

The 24 men and six women climbed the capitol steps, and one man, Bobby Seale, began to read from a prepared statement. “The American people in general and the black people in particular,” he announced, must

"Take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless Black people have begged, prayed, petitioned, demonstrated, and everything else to get the racist power structure of America to right the wrongs which have historically been perpetuated against black people The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late."

Seale then turned to the others. “All right, brothers, come on. We’re going inside.” He opened the door, and the radicals walked straight into the state’s most important government building, loaded guns in hand. No metal detectors stood in their way.

It was May 2, 1967, and the Black Panthers’ invasion of the California statehouse launched the modern gun-rights movement.

The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.

For those men who were allowed to own guns, the Founders had their own version of the “individual mandate” that has proved so controversial in President Obama’s health-care-reform law: they required the purchase of guns. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters—where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.

Opposition to gun control was what drove the black militants to visit the California capitol with loaded weapons in hand.

The Panthers, however, took it to an extreme, carrying their guns in public, displaying them for everyone—especially the police—to see.

Don Mulford, a conservative Republican state assemblyman from Alameda County, which includes Oakland, was determined to end the Panthers’ police patrols. To disarm the Panthers, he proposed a law that would prohibit the carrying of a loaded weapon in any California city.

The Panthers’ methods provoked an immediate backlash. The day of their statehouse protest, lawmakers said the incident would speed enactment of Mulford’s gun-control proposal. Mulford himself pledged to make his bill even tougher, and he added a provision barring anyone but law enforcement from bringing a loaded firearm into the state capitol.

Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”

The fear inspired by black people with guns also led the United States Congress to consider new gun restrictions, after the summer of 1967 brought what the historian Harvard Sitkoff called the “most intense and destructive wave of racial violence the nation had ever witnessed.” Devastating riots engulfed Detroit and Newark. Police and National Guardsmen who tried to help restore order were greeted with sniper fire.

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[Wehrwolfen]

Were these videos too much to handle?

No. It just takes time to watch them fully. With an intermission between them...to watch a bit of Duck Dynasty...it took me nigh on an hour to watch both.

I had no idea that guns prevent 500 rapes and 1100 murders....per day!

I had no idea the MLKJr requested armed guards for a march.

Thanks for posting this. I'll watch them again soon.

I'll have to spread some rep before hitting you again.

University Study Confirms Private Firearms Stop Crime 2.5 Million Times Each Year
By J. Neil Schulman
4-20-2007


Gary Kleck, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee and author of "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America" (Aldine de Gruyter, 1991), a book widely cited in the national gun-control debate. In an exclusive interview, Dr. Kleck revealed some preliminary results of the National Self- Defense Survey which he and his colleague Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993. Though he stresses that the results of the survey are preliminary and subject to future revision, Kleck is satisfied that the survey's results confirm his analysis of previous surveys which show that American civilians commonly use their privately-owned firearms to defend themselves against criminal attacks, and that such defensive uses significantly outnumber the criminal uses of firearms in America. The new survey, conducted by random telephone sampling of 4,978 households in all the states except Alaska and Hawaii, yield results indicating that American civilians use their firearms as often as 2.5 million times every year defending against a confrontation with a criminal, and that handguns alone account for up to 1.9 million defenses per year. Previous surveys, in Kleck's analysis, had underrepresented the extent of private firearms defenses because the questions asked failed to account for the possibility that a particular respondent might have had to use his or her firearm more than once.

Read more:
Private Guns Stop Crime 2.5M Times A Year In US

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Bfgrn, that was a good read. I bookmarked it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Listen first, respond after, I will know if you didn't watch the video:

NO GUNS FOR NEGROES 1of2 THE RACIST ROOTS OF GUN CONTROL - YouTube

NO GUNS FOR NEGROES 2of2 THE RACIST ROOTS OF GUN CONTROL - YouTube

thanks for posting that piece

i have not seen it before

i was surprised at how dodd came about penning the bill

 

[Wehrwolfen]

By Jim Hoft
12-3-2012


On September 28, 1868, a mob of Democrats massacred nearly 300 African-American Republicans in Opelousas, Louisiana. The savagery began when racist Democrats attacked a newspaper editor, a white Republican and schoolteacher for ex-slaves. Several African-Americans rushed to the assistance of their friend, and in response, Democrats went on a “Negro hunt,” killing every African-American (all of whom were Republicans) in the area they could find. (Via Grand Old Partisan)

Which brings us to today…
Asshat Jason Whitlock, the Kansas City columnist whose article on Jovan Belcher‘s murder-suicide inspired an anti-gun rant by NBC’s Bob Costas, now says that the pro-Second Amendment National Rifle Association is “the new KKK,” Newsbusters’ Tim Graham reported Monday.

Obviously, Whitlock is as ignorant as he is offensive.
The NRA actually helped blacks defend themselves from violent KKK Democrats in the south, not the other way around.
Ann Coulter wrote about the history of blacks and the NRA back in April.


This will give you an idea of how gun control laws worked. Following the firebombing of his house in 1956, Dr. Martin Luther King, who was, among other things, a Christian minister, applied for a gun permit, but the Alabama authorities found him unsuitable. A decade later, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

How’s that “may issue” gun permit policy working for you?

The NRA opposed these discretionary gun permit laws and proceeded to grant NRA charters to blacks who sought to defend themselves from Klan violence — including the great civil rights hero Robert F. Williams.

A World War II Marine veteran, Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., to find the Klan riding high — beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will. No one would join the NAACP for fear of Klan reprisals. Williams became president of the local chapter and increased membership from six to more than 200.

The NRA’s proud history of fighting the Klan has been airbrushed out of the record by those who were complicit with the KKK, Jim Crow and racial terror, to wit: the Democrats.

Sadly, asshat Whitlock will get away with his outrageous lies.
The early KKK Democrats would be proud.


Read more:
Sorry Libs, The NRA Was There to Help Blacks Defend Themselves From KKK Democrats, Not the...

 

[asaratis]

I provided the US Department of Justice Statistics to supplement your discovery.

I had no idea that guns prevent 500 rapes and 1100 murders....per day!

I had no idea the MLKJr requested armed guards for a march.

Thanks for posting this. I'll watch them again soon.

I'll have to spread some rep before hitting you again.

You are far more likely to survive
a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun.

Resisting with a gun 6%
Did nothing at all 25%
Resisted with a knife 40%
Non-violent resistance 45%

U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, 1979 60
Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey 61
U.S. Department of Justice 62
U.S. Department of Justice 63
British Home Office – no a pro-gun organization by any mean

From these same studies.

Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% are by women
defending themselves against sexual abuse.
Fact:
When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes are
successful, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact:
The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no
resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the
benefits are smaller: offering no resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than
resisting with a gun.

Fact:
27% of women keep a gun in the house.

Fact:
37.6 million women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact:
In 1966 the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms
training classes to women. The number of rapes dropped by nearly 90%.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/55878NCJRS.pdf

I confirmed the claim in the video from this site:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gun_facts.pdf

It is worth a scroll through...rebuts many of the worn out arguments for gun control.

 

[Bfgrn]

By Jim Hoft
12-3-2012


On September 28, 1868, a mob of Democrats massacred nearly 300 African-American Republicans in Opelousas, Louisiana. The savagery began when racist Democrats attacked a newspaper editor, a white Republican and schoolteacher for ex-slaves. Several African-Americans rushed to the assistance of their friend, and in response, Democrats went on a “Negro hunt,” killing every African-American (all of whom were Republicans) in the area they could find. (Via Grand Old Partisan)

Which brings us to today…
Asshat Jason Whitlock, the Kansas City columnist whose article on Jovan Belcher‘s murder-suicide inspired an anti-gun rant by NBC’s Bob Costas, now says that the pro-Second Amendment National Rifle Association is “the new KKK,” Newsbusters’ Tim Graham reported Monday.

Obviously, Whitlock is as ignorant as he is offensive.
The NRA actually helped blacks defend themselves from violent KKK Democrats in the south, not the other way around.
Ann Coulter wrote about the history of blacks and the NRA back in April.


This will give you an idea of how gun control laws worked. Following the firebombing of his house in 1956, Dr. Martin Luther King, who was, among other things, a Christian minister, applied for a gun permit, but the Alabama authorities found him unsuitable. A decade later, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

How’s that “may issue” gun permit policy working for you?

The NRA opposed these discretionary gun permit laws and proceeded to grant NRA charters to blacks who sought to defend themselves from Klan violence — including the great civil rights hero Robert F. Williams.

A World War II Marine veteran, Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., to find the Klan riding high — beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will. No one would join the NAACP for fear of Klan reprisals. Williams became president of the local chapter and increased membership from six to more than 200.

The NRA’s proud history of fighting the Klan has been airbrushed out of the record by those who were complicit with the KKK, Jim Crow and racial terror, to wit: the Democrats.

Sadly, asshat Whitlock will get away with his outrageous lies.
The early KKK Democrats would be proud.


Read more:
Sorry Libs, The NRA Was There to Help Blacks Defend Themselves From KKK Democrats, Not the...

WOW...a 'mob of Democrats'? That has to be the most absurd post I've seen in a long time.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

By Jim Hoft
12-3-2012


On September 28, 1868, a mob of Democrats massacred nearly 300 African-American Republicans in Opelousas, Louisiana. The savagery began when racist Democrats attacked a newspaper editor, a white Republican and schoolteacher for ex-slaves. Several African-Americans rushed to the assistance of their friend, and in response, Democrats went on a “Negro hunt,” killing every African-American (all of whom were Republicans) in the area they could find. (Via Grand Old Partisan)

Which brings us to today…
Asshat Jason Whitlock, the Kansas City columnist whose article on Jovan Belcher‘s murder-suicide inspired an anti-gun rant by NBC’s Bob Costas, now says that the pro-Second Amendment National Rifle Association is “the new KKK,” Newsbusters’ Tim Graham reported Monday.

Obviously, Whitlock is as ignorant as he is offensive.
The NRA actually helped blacks defend themselves from violent KKK Democrats in the south, not the other way around.
Ann Coulter wrote about the history of blacks and the NRA back in April.


This will give you an idea of how gun control laws worked. Following the firebombing of his house in 1956, Dr. Martin Luther King, who was, among other things, a Christian minister, applied for a gun permit, but the Alabama authorities found him unsuitable. A decade later, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

How’s that “may issue” gun permit policy working for you?

The NRA opposed these discretionary gun permit laws and proceeded to grant NRA charters to blacks who sought to defend themselves from Klan violence — including the great civil rights hero Robert F. Williams.

A World War II Marine veteran, Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., to find the Klan riding high — beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will. No one would join the NAACP for fear of Klan reprisals. Williams became president of the local chapter and increased membership from six to more than 200.

The NRA’s proud history of fighting the Klan has been airbrushed out of the record by those who were complicit with the KKK, Jim Crow and racial terror, to wit: the Democrats.

Sadly, asshat Whitlock will get away with his outrageous lies.
The early KKK Democrats would be proud.


Read more:
Sorry Libs, The NRA Was There to Help Blacks Defend Themselves From KKK Democrats, Not the...

WOW...a 'mob of Democrats'? That has to be the most absurd post I've seen in a long time.

Opelousas Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bfgrn]

By Jim Hoft
12-3-2012


On September 28, 1868, a mob of Democrats massacred nearly 300 African-American Republicans in Opelousas, Louisiana. The savagery began when racist Democrats attacked a newspaper editor, a white Republican and schoolteacher for ex-slaves. Several African-Americans rushed to the assistance of their friend, and in response, Democrats went on a “Negro hunt,” killing every African-American (all of whom were Republicans) in the area they could find. (Via Grand Old Partisan)

Which brings us to today…
Asshat Jason Whitlock, the Kansas City columnist whose article on Jovan Belcher‘s murder-suicide inspired an anti-gun rant by NBC’s Bob Costas, now says that the pro-Second Amendment National Rifle Association is “the new KKK,” Newsbusters’ Tim Graham reported Monday.

Obviously, Whitlock is as ignorant as he is offensive.
The NRA actually helped blacks defend themselves from violent KKK Democrats in the south, not the other way around.
Ann Coulter wrote about the history of blacks and the NRA back in April.


This will give you an idea of how gun control laws worked. Following the firebombing of his house in 1956, Dr. Martin Luther King, who was, among other things, a Christian minister, applied for a gun permit, but the Alabama authorities found him unsuitable. A decade later, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

How’s that “may issue” gun permit policy working for you?

The NRA opposed these discretionary gun permit laws and proceeded to grant NRA charters to blacks who sought to defend themselves from Klan violence — including the great civil rights hero Robert F. Williams.

A World War II Marine veteran, Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., to find the Klan riding high — beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will. No one would join the NAACP for fear of Klan reprisals. Williams became president of the local chapter and increased membership from six to more than 200.

The NRA’s proud history of fighting the Klan has been airbrushed out of the record by those who were complicit with the KKK, Jim Crow and racial terror, to wit: the Democrats.

Sadly, asshat Whitlock will get away with his outrageous lies.
The early KKK Democrats would be proud.


Read more:
Sorry Libs, The NRA Was There to Help Blacks Defend Themselves From KKK Democrats, Not the...

WOW...a 'mob of Democrats'? That has to be the most absurd post I've seen in a long time.

Opelousas Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was when the GOP was the party of Lincoln and the Democratic party was not the party of liberals. it has absolutely no bearing on or reflection of either of today's parties.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

That was when the GOP was the party of Lincoln and the Democratic party was not the party of liberals. it has absolutely no bearing on or reflection of either of today's parties.

Apparently it seemed important enough for you to comment on it beforehand, why is it irrelevant now?

 

[JakeStarkey]

WOW...a 'mob of Democrats'? That has to be the most absurd post I've seen in a long time.

Opelousas Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was when the GOP was the party of Lincoln and the Democratic party was not the party of liberals. it has absolutely no bearing on or reflection of either of today's parties.

The democrats were the conservatives in the Opelousas massacre.