The Problem with Socialism

[Jack4jill]

DiLorenzo has also spoken out in favor of the secession of the Confederate States of America, defending the right of these states to secede.
[19]

The guy is a nutjob from a Libertarian Institute.

If Libertarianism was so good then why has no other country adopted it(except Somalia)...

Complete hogwash. Every western country was libertarian 100 years ago. Then women got the right to vote after we had massed an never before seen amount of wealth and growth. You can only guess which ideology those depending on other's resources will vote for.

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

You don't pay 45% dumbass.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Capitalism can be sooooo "unfair"....... Lmfao

 

[bripat9643]

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the map not many... and that's of today.... just pointing out that the word doesn't actually have any meaning since.... 1000 years ago?

Besides that, nothing about monarchism prevents libertarianism. So it was a non-argument to begin with.

Where's the King or Queen in this, you dumbfuck?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]

Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history."
Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The King just ordered me to do this or I lose my head, but I'm a libertarian so I'll just ignore him. He won't mind.

You're a fucking idiot.

Where does it say "Can not exist under kings or queens?"

Please, check your IQ before posting, for the love of Christ. Some libertarians in fact advocate for monarchy, because king expands government less than open democracy tends to.

It doesn't need to say it you worthless little shit. If the King says do it or die, you aren't living as a libertarian in any place other than your tiny fucking mind.

The King of England had no such power, douche bag. Neither did most of the other kings and queens in Europe. Not even Czar Nicholas, who was the closest thing to an absolute monarch in Europe, had such power. However, now the EPA can fine you $35,000/day for building a fish pond on your property.

 

[Norman]

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the map not many... and that's of today.... just pointing out that the word doesn't actually have any meaning since.... 1000 years ago?

Besides that, nothing about monarchism prevents libertarianism. So it was a non-argument to begin with.

Where's the King or Queen in this, you dumbfuck?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]

Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history."
Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The King just ordered me to do this or I lose my head, but I'm a libertarian so I'll just ignore him. He won't mind.

You're a fucking idiot.

Where does it say "Can not exist under kings or queens?"

Please, check your IQ before posting, for the love of Christ. Some libertarians in fact advocate for monarchy, because king expands government less than open democracy tends to.

It doesn't need to say it you worthless little shit. If the King says do it or die, you aren't living as a libertarian in any place other than your tiny fucking mind.

There is a difference between kingdom and a tyranny. When is the last time this happened in Sweden? Oh wait, the king doesn't even have such powers.

You are truly retarded.

 

[Indeependent]

DiLorenzo has also spoken out in favor of the secession of the Confederate States of America, defending the right of these states to secede.
[19]

The guy is a nutjob from a Libertarian Institute.

If Libertarianism was so good then why has no other country adopted it(except Somalia)...

Complete hogwash. Every western country was libertarian 100 years ago. Then women got the right to vote after we had massed an never before seen amount of wealth and growth. You can only guess which ideology those depending on other's resources will vote for.

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

The Monarchy had paved roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, gas, plumbing?
Let's not get carried away comparing 2 centuries ago to today.

 

[bripat9643]

Complete hogwash. Every western country was libertarian 100 years ago. Then women got the right to vote after we had massed an never before seen amount of wealth and growth. You can only guess which ideology those depending on other's resources will vote for.

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

You don't pay 45% dumbass.

When you add up all local, state and federal taxes, you easily pay that much. 7% state income tax. 25% federal income tax. 13% FICA tax. That right there comes to 45% in taxes. That doesn't include sales tax, property tax, taxes on your cell phone, excise taxes, gasoline taxes and all the other countless taxes various governments impose.

 

[Jack4jill]

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the map not many... and that's of today.... just pointing out that the word doesn't actually have any meaning since.... 1000 years ago?

Besides that, nothing about monarchism prevents libertarianism. So it was a non-argument to begin with.

Where's the King or Queen in this, you dumbfuck?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]

Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history."
Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The King just ordered me to do this or I lose my head, but I'm a libertarian so I'll just ignore him. He won't mind.

You're a fucking idiot.

Where does it say "Can not exist under kings or queens?"

Please, check your IQ before posting, for the love of Christ. Some libertarians in fact advocate for monarchy, because king expands government less than open democracy tends to.

It doesn't need to say it you worthless little shit. If the King says do it or die, you aren't living as a libertarian in any place other than your tiny fucking mind.

There is a difference between kingdom and a tyranny. When is the last time this happened in Sweden? Oh wait, the king doesn't even have such powers.

You are truly retarded.

Name a libertarian state that has a ruler, even an absolute ruler, you dumbfuck? There are none. It's impossible.

Learn what you believe in before talking out your dumb ass about it.

 

[bripat9643]

Complete hogwash. Every western country was libertarian 100 years ago. Then women got the right to vote after we had massed an never before seen amount of wealth and growth. You can only guess which ideology those depending on other's resources will vote for.

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

The Monarchy had paved roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, gas, plumbing?
Let's not get carried away comparing 2 centuries ago to today.

The government doesn't pay for electricity, gas and plumbing. Roads, bridges and sewage come to about 1% of GDP.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Environmentally aware communes are the future !!!!
Douchebags unite !!!!!!!!!

 

[Indeependent]

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

The Monarchy had paved roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, gas, plumbing?
Let's not get carried away comparing 2 centuries ago to today.

The government doesn't pay for electricity, gas and plumbing. Roads, bridges and sewage come to about 1% of GDP.

Nassau County collects lots of money for Permits and Inspections.
The fact is that the living conditions of today cannot be compared to the 1800s.
But 5% did create some damn nice castles and parties.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the map not many... and that's of today.... just pointing out that the word doesn't actually have any meaning since.... 1000 years ago?

Besides that, nothing about monarchism prevents libertarianism. So it was a non-argument to begin with.

Where's the King or Queen in this, you dumbfuck?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]

Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history."
Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The King just ordered me to do this or I lose my head, but I'm a libertarian so I'll just ignore him. He won't mind.

You're a fucking idiot.

Where does it say "Can not exist under kings or queens?"

Please, check your IQ before posting, for the love of Christ. Some libertarians in fact advocate for monarchy, because kings expand government less than open democracy tends to.

If you want to read about how we were better off under the monarchy, here's a book that might interest you:

Introduction to Democracy: The God that Failed

 

[bripat9643]

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

The Monarchy had paved roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, gas, plumbing?
Let's not get carried away comparing 2 centuries ago to today.

The government doesn't pay for electricity, gas and plumbing. Roads, bridges and sewage come to about 1% of GDP.

Nassau County collects lots of money for Permits and Inspections.
The fact is that the living conditions of today cannot be compared to the 1800s.
But 5% did create some damn nice castles and parties.

Living conditions today can't be compared because we benefit from 200 years of technical and economic progress. It has nothing to do with the expansion of government.

 

[Jack4jill]

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

You don't pay 45% dumbass.

When you add up all local, state and federal taxes, you easily pay that much. 7% state income tax. 25% federal income tax. 13% FICA tax. That right there comes to 45% in taxes. That doesn't include sales tax, property tax, taxes on your cell phone, excise taxes, gasoline taxes and all the other countless taxes various governments impose.

Go ahead, add up all your taxes, it won't be 45%. Not even close.

How Much Do Americans Really Pay in Taxes? - NerdWallet

 

[MikeK]

So far the government has only funneled money from you to these criminals. You deserve the consequences of what you fight for.

If you are saying certain elements of government, such as the presidency of Bill Clinton for one example, who effectively repealed the Glass-Steagal Act thereby enabling banks to gamble with (and lose) depositors' money, then we agree. I have no opposing argument.

But please don't make the mistake of denouncing "government" in toto with one broad stroke of your thinking. Because government, per se, is not the evil thing some right-wing propagandists and misguided libertarians will tell you it is. Good government is a good thing and the primary objective of all American socialists is to take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that our government is dedicated to protecting and facilitating the interests of the common people -- not just the financial ruling class.

 

[Indeependent]

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the map not many... and that's of today.... just pointing out that the word doesn't actually have any meaning since.... 1000 years ago?

Besides that, nothing about monarchism prevents libertarianism. So it was a non-argument to begin with.

Where's the King or Queen in this, you dumbfuck?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]

Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history."
Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The King just ordered me to do this or I lose my head, but I'm a libertarian so I'll just ignore him. He won't mind.

You're a fucking idiot.

Where does it say "Can not exist under kings or queens?"

Please, check your IQ before posting, for the love of Christ. Some libertarians in fact advocate for monarchy, because kings expand government less than open democracy tends to.

If you want to read about how we were better off under the monarchy, here's a book that might interest you:

Introduction to Democracy: The God that Failed

I may have to presume that your lineage is of the few privileged to be literate.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong, dumbfuck. You've made the case all along that any government is evidence of socialism.

I did? No, dumbfuck. I made the case for regulated capitalism.

Go fight with Bripat, who says the government offers capitalism nothing. And read the fucking thread next time.

Having a government is not necessarily socialism, but statism.

Also, anarcho capitalism is a subset of capitalism.

The world has essentially one economic system, it has mixed-economies. Use capitalism where it works, use socialism were it doesn't.

That's real life, the rest is pie in the sky bullshit.

Socialism doesn't work, period.

I'm completely done with your dogma. Anyone who rejects Adam Smith has no right to even comment on the price of a condom, let alone economic systems.

Where did Adam Smith ever endorse socialism?

 

[Iceweasel]

Complete hogwash. Every western country was libertarian 100 years ago. Then women got the right to vote after we had massed an never before seen amount of wealth and growth. You can only guess which ideology those depending on other's resources will vote for.

I'm sure all those kingdoms will be thrilled to know they were actually libertarian wonderlands? God save the King.

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

You don't pay 45% dumbass.

Figure in all your taxes. Sales, property, state, local, federal, phone and utility. I'll bet it's more than 45%.

 

[bripat9643]

So far the government has only funneled money from you to these criminals. You deserve the consequences of what you fight for.

If you are saying certain elements of government, such as the presidency of Bill Clinton for one example, who effectively repealed the Glass-Steagal Act thereby enabling banks to gamble with (and lose) depositors' money, then we agree. I have no opposing argument.

But please don't make the mistake of denouncing "government" with one broad stroke of your thinking. Because government, per se, is not the evil thing some right-wing propagandists and misguided libertarians will tell you it is. Good government is a good thing and the primary objective of all American socialists is to take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that our government is dedicated to protecting and facilitating the interests of the common people -- not just the financial ruling class.

The phrase "good government" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.

What he is talking about, BTW, are things like TARP where the government funneled hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands of companies like Goldman/Sachs.

 

[Indeependent]

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

The Monarchy had paved roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, gas, plumbing?
Let's not get carried away comparing 2 centuries ago to today.

The government doesn't pay for electricity, gas and plumbing. Roads, bridges and sewage come to about 1% of GDP.

Nassau County collects lots of money for Permits and Inspections.
The fact is that the living conditions of today cannot be compared to the 1800s.
But 5% did create some damn nice castles and parties.

Living conditions today can't be compared because we benefit from 200 years of technical and economic progress. It has nothing to do with the expansion of government.

Almost everyone I know who lived before FDR would disagree with you rather vehemently.

 

[bripat9643]

Dude, 100 years ago... not 1000 years ago. Did you take your history in a public school or what?

How many Western Nations were Monarchies then, dumbfuck?

How about starting with England, maybe German?

Monarchies in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We were more free under the monarchy than we are now. The Monarchy only took 5% of GDP in taxes. The government now takes 45% in taxes. So under democracy we pay 10 times more than we paid under the Monarchy.

You don't pay 45% dumbass.

When you add up all local, state and federal taxes, you easily pay that much. 7% state income tax. 25% federal income tax. 13% FICA tax. That right there comes to 45% in taxes. That doesn't include sales tax, property tax, taxes on your cell phone, excise taxes, gasoline taxes and all the other countless taxes various governments impose.

Go ahead, add up all your taxes, it won't be 45%. Not even close.

How Much Do Americans Really Pay in Taxes? - NerdWallet

I just did, moron.