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"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect mans rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of mans self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of mans deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand
where'd you lift that from? on this board, you give links.
as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
but it's nonsense.
i guess that whole part of the constitution that guarantees RIGHTS and charges the government with the general welfare of its populace and gives it the right to govern commerce among the several states is a figment of our imagination.
randians are such putzes.
Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
you forgot the fact that she died collecting social security benefits.
Isn't it grand when leftoids claim people shouldn't receive the benefits for which they have paid taxes?
A program to which she paid into, under threat of incarceration if she refused, therefore was perfectly within her moral code recoup that which was taken from her by compulsion.Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
you forgot the fact that she died collecting social security benefits.
Seems you authoritarian looters like to ignore that little tidbit of fact.
That all sounds great, and a large part of me agrees. However, Ayn Rand's brand of libertarianism (or if you wish, her godless Objectivism) is one which takes no preventive measures whatsoever.
For example, the regulation of our food and drugs. Rand's minions are silent about doing anything preventive before you take food or medicine into your body, and only punishes the wicked after they have killed you with their poison for profit. As if the fear of punishment will stop evildoers. This is an attitude which is the epitome of gullibility and suffers from a profound ignorance of human nature and history.
Ever heard of Underwriters Labratories? We accept government intervention into every aspect of life because they have wheedled their way in inch by inch and it seems the norm to us now. This is why liberals accept and expect a nanny state. They've come to believe it is the norm, an actual role of government and now come to expect it. Imagine if companies employeed people to do what the government has taken over and done quite poorly?
Like everyone else collecting SS she paid in to the system & was only recovering what was rightfully hers.Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
you forgot the fact that she died collecting social security benefits.
as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
As an avowed anarchist, she also distrusted libertarians, if she didn't detest them outright.Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
The founders would keep on sailing if they saw this current form of government.
Yes, she was an anarchist...She declared it with pride every chance she had.As an avowed anarchist, she also distrusted libertarians, if she didn't detest them outright.Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
Rand wasn't an anarchist. However, there is a certain subsection of libertarians that are anarchists. They're called anarcho-capitalists. I'm a member of that school of thought. In my view, the term "good government" is an oxymoron.
as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
Exactly. She was good for fiction, but nothing else.
Yes, she was an anarchist...She declared it with pride every chance she had.As an avowed anarchist, she also distrusted libertarians, if she didn't detest them outright.
Rand wasn't an anarchist. However, there is a certain subsection of libertarians that are anarchists. They're called anarcho-capitalists. I'm a member of that school of thought. In my view, the term "good government" is an oxymoron.
And there is no subsection of libertarians who are anarchists...That's why we have the two different words to describe them.
Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as free market anarchism,[1] market anarchism,[2], private-property anarchism[3] and capitalizm) is a libertarian political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market.[4][5] In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. Therefore, personal and economic activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics.
For a fiction writer, she had her antagonists nailed.as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
Exactly. She was good for fiction, but nothing else.
Her "fiction" is turning out to be a very accurate prediction as to the direction the government of this country will take. It's positively scary how close our current government resembles the cluster fuck of a government portrayed in Atlas Shrugged.
"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect mans rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of mans self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of mans deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand
That all sounds great, and a large part of me agrees. However, Ayn Rand's brand of libertarianism (or if you wish, her godless Objectivism) is one which takes no preventive measures whatsoever.
For example, the regulation of our food and drugs. Rand's minions are silent about doing anything preventive before you take food or medicine into your body, and only punishes the wicked after they have killed you with their poison for profit. As if the fear of punishment will stop evildoers. This is an attitude which is the epitome of gullibility and suffers from a profound ignorance of human nature and history.
Ever heard of Underwriters Labratories? We accept government intervention into every aspect of life because they have wheedled their way in inch by inch and it seems the norm to us now. This is why liberals accept and expect a nanny state. They've come to believe it is the norm, an actual role of government and now come to expect it. Imagine if companies employeed people to do what the government has taken over and done quite poorly?
"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand
where'd you lift that from? on this board, you give links.
as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
but it's nonsense.
i guess that whole part of the constitution that guarantees RIGHTS and charges the government with the general welfare of its populace and gives it the right to govern commerce among the several states is a figment of our imagination.
randians are such putzes.
A program to which she paid into, under threat of incarceration if she refused, therefore was perfectly within her moral code recoup that which was taken from her by compulsion.Ayn Rand was anti-pseudo-conservative. She hated Raygun (the grand-daddy of all pseudo-cons).
you forgot the fact that she died collecting social security benefits.
Seems you authoritarian looters like to ignore that little tidbit of fact.
UL is an example, not any sort of proposed catch-all of a solution.That all sounds great, and a large part of me agrees. However, Ayn Rand's brand of libertarianism (or if you wish, her godless Objectivism) is one which takes no preventive measures whatsoever.
For example, the regulation of our food and drugs. Rand's minions are silent about doing anything preventive before you take food or medicine into your body, and only punishes the wicked after they have killed you with their poison for profit. As if the fear of punishment will stop evildoers. This is an attitude which is the epitome of gullibility and suffers from a profound ignorance of human nature and history.
Ever heard of Underwriters Labratories? We accept government intervention into every aspect of life because they have wheedled their way in inch by inch and it seems the norm to us now. This is why liberals accept and expect a nanny state. They've come to believe it is the norm, an actual role of government and now come to expect it. Imagine if companies employeed people to do what the government has taken over and done quite poorly?
Underwriters Laboratories is a favorite meme of Libertarians. Yet they seem to be ignorant of the fact that the government uses UL as a regulatory standard. UL and Uncle Sam are in bed together!
You can hate the program and still be good with having your stolen property returned to you.A program to which she paid into, under threat of incarceration if she refused, therefore was perfectly within her moral code recoup that which was taken from her by compulsion.you forgot the fact that she died collecting social security benefits.
Seems you authoritarian looters like to ignore that little tidbit of fact.
I think Ayn forgot to ask herself "What would Dagny do?" Rand was an absolutist. Social Security was wrong. Nobody should accept it. Period. No matter if you paid into it, accepting it would still be an affront to human dignity. Rand never waivered from her zealous hatred for the program. That is, until she was collecting the check herself. Then, magically, she came up with this post hoc argument that it was okay, just as long as the recipient called it something different (i.e. call it a reimbursement).
So, instead of trying to make swans out of ugly ducklings let's just call the duck a duck. Rand was a deranged lunatic who, when push came to shove, couldn't walk the walk. Rand taking Medicare and SS benefits can be summed up in one sentence: Oh, but that's different, somehow....
The preventative actions should be taken by the insurers of and investors in the given companies....Huge federal bureaucracies like the FDA act as noting more than defacto protection rackets for the purpose of keep BigPharm big.That all sounds great, and a large part of me agrees. However, Ayn Rand's brand of libertarianism (or if you wish, her godless Objectivism) is one which takes no preventive measures whatsoever.
For example, the regulation of our food and drugs. Rand's minions are silent about doing anything preventive before you take food or medicine into your body, and only punishes the wicked after they have killed you with their poison for profit. As if the fear of punishment will stop evildoers. This is an attitude which is the epitome of gullibility and suffers from a profound ignorance of human nature and history.
"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect mans rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of mans self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of mans deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand
where'd you lift that from? on this board, you give links.
as a poitical theorist, ayn rand was a decent novelist.
but it's nonsense.
i guess that whole part of the constitution that guarantees RIGHTS and charges the government with the general welfare of its populace and gives it the right to govern commerce among the several states is a figment of our imagination.
randians are such putzes.
